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Post by Muzozavr » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:32 am

Nobody wrote:An evil dude looks at a penny.
If the penny is green,
and the codfish on the ceiling is not important,

Why?
(Logic: the final question is grammatically irrelevant to everything before, so I can assume the question is what you need to answer)

Because.
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Post by lynx204 » Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:07 am

Nobody wrote:An evil dude looks at a penny.
If the penny is green,
and the codfish on the ceiling is not important,

Why?
My guess may be totally wrong, but I got this.....

Adapt I act ii........????
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Post by Nobody » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:39 pm

Uh, no.

Muzozavr got a decent answer, however, and can continue.

My answer:
I never said the penny was green or that the codfish on the ceiling wasn't important, just that if they were, "Why?". Therefore, you can assume they weren't and not answer. Muzo's, however, is more logical.
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Post by Muzozavr » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:53 pm

Quote the post to see the names of colors and use them to solve this puzzle:

3134

This is an encoding for a four-letter word. Find the word to answer the puzzle.
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Post by MyNameIsKooky » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:14 pm

Muzozavr wrote:Quote the post to see the names of colors and use them to solve this puzzle:

3134

This is an encoding for a four-letter word. Find the word to answer the puzzle.
Elve?
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Post by Muzozavr » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:24 pm

Not really, use the actual NAMES of the colors from the BBCode.
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Post by MyNameIsKooky » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:49 pm

That's what I did.
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Post by Muzozavr » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:01 pm

Well, then I fail to see how did you come up with that. The first letter is right, the rest... aren't.
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Post by MyNameIsKooky » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:04 pm

Muzozavr wrote:Quote the post to see the names of colors and use them to solve this puzzle:

3134

This is an encoding for a four-letter word. Find the word to answer the puzzle.
Elie?
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Post by peegman » Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:43 pm

Muzozavr wrote:Quote the post to see the names of colors and use them to solve this puzzle:

3134

This is an encoding for a four-letter word. Find the word to answer the puzzle.
Evil
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Post by Muzozavr » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:18 am

peegman:
Right! :wink:
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Post by peegman » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:15 am

Thanks
Here's a puzzle:
The parrot sequence

Gaston owns a clever parrot called Paco which can describe out loud numbers read from a piece of paper displayed in front of him. One day

Gaston tried this funny experiment: he wrote the digit 1 on a sheet and showed it to Paco, who answered “one 1”. Gaston wrote down the parrot’s answer “one 1” or ‘11’ on a new sheet and showed it to Paco, who readily answered “two 1’s”. Again, Gaston wrote down his reply “two 1’s” or ‘21’ on another sheet and showed it to Paco, who replied “one 2, one 1” or ‘1211’... Gaston continued this experiment until he obtained a long sequence of numbers 1, 11, 21, 1211, 111221, 312211, etc... in which each next term is obtained by describing the previous term.

Does the number 4 come in this sequence if it is continued a lot?
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Post by Blast!10 » Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:02 pm

Yes, it does.
1, 11, 21, 1211, 111221, 312211, 13112221, 411332.

Though I'm most likely wrong because 411332 is much less than 13112221, yet it appears after it in the sequence. :?

EDIT: Wait, did you mean the actual number "4" or just the digit 4 appearing in a number?
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Post by Muzozavr » Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:36 pm

The next number would actually be 1113213211.

I don't think 4 appears but we cannot know. You'd need a rigorous mathematical proof for that, and the mathematical function for this row is crazy complex. This is copied from a site, so I can't vouch for it's correctness, because it goes WAY over my head:
Want more math? If you think that the sequence is "non-mathematical", I derived this mathematical expression that gives the sequence... have fun! (D is a recursive function and t is the term number.) It's a lot easier if you think verbally, isn't it?

By the way, % here is a certain non-integer remainder function. 2.1%0.1 would be 0, 2.1%0.2 would be 0.1, 2.1%0.3 would be 0 since 0.3 fits evenly into 2.1, etc.) If you really want conventional operators, you could define % with limits and modular arithmetic...

D(t+1) = (sigma(K=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1,((D(t)-D(t)%10^(LOG(D(t))-
LOG(D(t))%1)+sigma(S=1,LOG(D(t))-LOG(D(t))%1,(((sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)
-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*
10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/10)-(sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*
10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/10)
%10^(S-1))%10^S+1)%(((sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)
*10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/10)-(
sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%10
^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/10)%10^(S-1))%10^S+.5)*2*(D(t)
-D(t)%10^(S-1))%10^S))-(D(t)-D(t)%10^(LOG(D(t))-LOG(D(t))%1)+sigma(S=1,
LOG(D(t))-LOG(D(t))%1,(((sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)
*10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/10)
-(sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%
10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/10)%10^(S-1))%10^S+1)%(((
sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%
10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/10)-(sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*
10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*
10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/10)%10^(S-1))%10^S+.5)*2*(D(t)-D(t)%10^(S
-1))%10^S))%10^(K-1))%10^K/10^(K-1)*100^(2*sigma(N=1,K,(((D(t)-D(t)%
10^(LOG(D(t))-LOG(D(t))%1)+sigma(S=1,LOG(D(t))-LOG(D(t))%1,(((sigma(R=1,
LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-
(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/10)-(sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*
10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%
10^(R+1)))/10)%10^(S-1))%10^S+1)%(((sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%
1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%
10^(R+1)))/10)-(sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)
*10%10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/10)%10^(S-1))
%10^S+.5)*2*(D(t)-D(t)%10^(S-1))%10^S))-(D(t)-D(t)%10^(LOG(D(t))-LOG(D(t))
%1)+sigma(S=1,LOG(D(t))-LOG(D(t))%1,(((sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)
%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^
(R+1)))/10)-(sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)*10%
10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/10)%10^(S-1))%10^
S+1)%(((sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^
(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/10)-(sigma(R=1,
LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/
10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/10)%10^(S-1))%10^S+.5)*2*(D(t)-D(t)%
10^(S-1))%10^S))%10^(N-1))%10^N+1)%(((D(t)-D(t)%10^(LOG(D(t))-LOG(D(t))%
1)+sigma(S=1,LOG(D(t))-LOG(D(t))%1,(((sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*
10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^
R)%10^(R+1)))/10)-(sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-
D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/10)%10^
(S-1))%10^S+1)%(((sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-
D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/10)-
(sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%
10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/10)%10^(S-1))%10^S+.5)*2*
(D(t)-D(t)%10^(S-1))%10^S))-(D(t)-D(t)%10^(LOG(D(t))-LOG(D(t))%1)+
sigma(S=1,LOG(D(t))-LOG(D(t))%1,(((sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10
)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^
R)%10^(R+1)))/10)-(sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*
10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/
10)%10^(S-1))%10^S+1)%(((sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,
ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%
10^(R+1)))/10)-(sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*
10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))
/10)%10^(S-1))%10^S+.5)*2*(D(t)-D(t)%10^(S-1))%10^S))%10^(N-1))%10^
N+.5))))/100)+(sigma(K=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1,100^(1+sigma(N=
1,K-1,2*((((sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)*
10%10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/10)-(
sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%
10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/10)%10^(N-1))%10^N/10^(N-
1)+1)%(((sigma(R=1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)*10%
10^(R+1))%10^(R+2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/10)-(sigma(R=
1,LOG(D(t)*10)-LOG(D(t)*10)%1-1,ABS((D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^(R+1))%10^(R+
2)/10-(D(t)*10-D(t)*10%10^R)%10^(R+1)))/10)%10^(N-1))%10^N/10^(N-1)+
.5)))))/10)
A 9-grader's honest reaction: :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Post by Blast!10 » Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:09 pm

Now I need to slap myself.

*slaps self*

1, 11, 21, 1211, 111221, 312211, 13112221, 1113213211, 31131211131221, 13211311123113112211, 11131221133112132113212221, 3113112221232112111312211312113211...
No, I don't think 4 appears either.
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Post by billy bob » Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:12 pm

Your all right, it wouldn't appear.
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Post by Muzozavr » Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:25 pm

How do you know without a logical/mathematical proof?
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Post by Nobody » Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:37 pm

There can't be one 1 one 1, it would be two 1.

There can't be two 2 two 2, it would already be four 2.

three 3 three 3 would be six 3.

So there. :P
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Post by Muzozavr » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:28 pm

DUH :lol:
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Post by Nobody » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:43 pm

What has always been broken, though no one ever broke it?
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Post by billy bob » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:44 pm

Now I am just confused. :lol:
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Post by Nobody » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:53 pm

About what?
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Post by Blast!10 » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:14 pm

@peegman's riddle:

It IS solved, so I can cheat already, right? (I didn't use this calculator for my previous answers, and I will not do so. I only developed this on the spot a few minutes ago.)

Image

I REALLY do believe that there is no 4. The number is so big that even this calculator (which actually works, btw) takes a while to calculate it.

Next mission: Progress bar. :P
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Post by billy bob » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:21 pm

Nobody wrote:About what?
ABOUT EVERYTHING...... :lol:
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Post by peegman » Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:58 pm

Correct: Everyone who said there is no four
Wrong: All who said yes it does
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Post by billy bob » Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:59 pm

peegman wrote:Correct: Everyone who said there is no four
Wrong: All who said yes it does
YAY! I got it right! :P
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Post by Nobody » Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:42 am

billy bob wrote:
peegman wrote:Correct: Everyone who said there is no four
Wrong: All who said yes it does
YAY! I got it right! :P
I was the one who used logic. :D

Solve my riddle.
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Post by peegman » Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:43 am

Silence?
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Post by Qloof234 » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:00 am

Nobody wrote:What has always been broken, though no one ever broke it?
The economy

Okay, honestly, I was thinking of silence, like peegman said.
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Post by peegman » Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:39 am

Qloof234 wrote:
Nobody wrote:What has always been broken, though no one ever broke it?
The economy

Okay, honestly, I was thinking of silence, like peegman said.
That sounds good Qloof
I thought it was silence because I was reading the first few pages of this topic and saw the riddle
"What is broken everytime it's spoken"
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