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Well, if what you're saying is true, then anything anyone says could mean anything different from the definition in the dictionary. The definition in a dictionary has to be fact otherwise no one could communicate with words because any word could mean any definition.Marinus wrote:If I write a book, then you would say that it's fact that I wrote the book. But that doesn't mean that the story I wrote is true, or a fact.
Here's the thing though - it's not fact. It's the general opinion of it. Almost everyone in the world agrees on it, hence it's the accepted definition.billy bob wrote:No. It's what people made. And now that is what we speak, because somehow it became fact.Marinus wrote:So, if someone has an opinion, and he waits a few years, or a few thousand years, suddenly his opinion become a fact?
It's not a fact of the universe like you're claiming it to be. If you're trying to prove that, you have to back it up. You can't just say "It somehow happened but I don't know how but it's still what happened" without any evidence and expect people to agree with you.
Well, if it's not fact, then I can think that the words you used meant other things I just made up in my head, and now all the words you just said mean someone completely crazy. And now I can also think up some definitions in my head, and now the rules say I can post the word pencil on every serious topic existing.Qloof234 wrote:Here's the thing though - it's not fact. It's the general opinion of it. Almost everyone in the world agrees on it, hence it's the accepted definition.billy bob wrote:No. It's what people made. And now that is what we speak, because somehow it became fact.Marinus wrote:So, if someone has an opinion, and he waits a few years, or a few thousand years, suddenly his opinion become a fact?
It's not a fact of the universe like you're claiming it to be. If you're trying to prove that, you have to back it up. You can't just say "It somehow happened but I don't know how but it's still what happened" without any evidence and expect people to agree with you.
So, basically, the definitions in the dictionaries have to be fact, otherwise anyone can think a word means something completely different from the definition of the word in dictionaries.
Except not everyone accepts those as a definition, so it's not "fact".
Plus, I already told you - in this topic, you're following the definition of rules as if it's a fact of the universe, and in eee's comic topic you're making up your own definition of R.I.P. that has no relevance to the widely accepted opinion.
You can't expect everyone to agree with you seamlessly like you're asking, especially considering how differently you think to the majority of the users here.
Plus, I already told you - in this topic, you're following the definition of rules as if it's a fact of the universe, and in eee's comic topic you're making up your own definition of R.I.P. that has no relevance to the widely accepted opinion.
You can't expect everyone to agree with you seamlessly like you're asking, especially considering how differently you think to the majority of the users here.
But the definitions in dictionaries are fact. So those people are wrong about that word. If the definition in dictionaries aren't fact then there will be consequences that I have already explained.Qloof234 wrote:Except not everyone accepts those as a definition, so it's not "fact".
The definition of rules is fact. In Eee226's comic topic I wasn't making up my own definition of rest in peace, because in the dictionaries the word "rest", and "in", and "peace" together haven't got anything to do with death. Unless it is a phrase, then it is my mistake. However, there is a chance it would not have been the phrase and would have been just the three words if rest in peace is a phrase.Qloof234 wrote:Plus, I already told you - in this topic, you're following the definition of rules as if it's a fact of the universe, and in eee's comic topic you're making up your own definition of R.I.P. that has no relevance to the widely accepted opinion.
Except as has already been pointed out several times, that's not true. There's no such thing as concrete, unmovable knowledge in the world, and there's no such thing as a smart human being, because over time their ideas and understandings will be changed or even eradicated. There's no such thing as knowledge that's set in stone, because inevitably we're going to find something that overturns that belief system.billy bob wrote:But the definitions in dictionaries are fact. So those people are wrong about that word. If the definition in dictionaries aren't fact then there will be consequences that I have already explained.Qloof234 wrote:Except not everyone accepts those as a definition, so it's not "fact".
For instance, believing that the galaxy revolved around the Earth to finding out it revolved around the sun. The meaning of words are what humankind has come up with, and what it uses those words for. When it's widely accepted as being correct, it becomes "fact". Note the quotation marks.
Once again - Only if it's widely regarded as true does it become a fact. In fact (no pun intended), here, I looked up the definition for rule:billy bob wrote:The definition of rules is fact. In Eee226's comic topic I wasn't making up my own definition of rest in peace, because in the dictionaries the word "rest", and "in", and "peace" together haven't got anything to do with death. Unless it is a phrase, then it is my mistake. However, there is a chance it would not have been the phrase and would have been just the three words if rest in peace is a phrase.Qloof234 wrote:Plus, I already told you - in this topic, you're following the definition of rules as if it's a fact of the universe, and in eee's comic topic you're making up your own definition of R.I.P. that has no relevance to the widely accepted opinion.
These are some of the accepted definitions, but you know what? I looked in several different dictionaries and I only found your definition - unfaltering guidelines that have to be obeyed and policed no matter what, if I understand you correctly - in one. In other words, it's not widely accepted.rule
   /rul/ Show Spelled [rool] Show IPA ,noun, verb, ruled, rul·ing.
–noun
1.
a principle or regulation governing conduct, action, procedure, arrangement, etc.: the rules of chess.
2.
the code of regulations observed by a religious order or congregation: the Franciscan rule.
3.
the customary or normal circumstance, occurrence, manner, practice, quality, etc.: the rule rather than the exception.
Also, you did make up a definition for R.I.P. - I went and checked for that as well:
I found this in all the dictionaries I checked. It's widely accepted as the definition. You went along and made a new definition out of your mind for it, intentionally or not.rest in peace -- Definition of rest in peace
idiom to rest in peace
1. A blessing or expression of hope that a deceased person is at peace.
May the souls of the recently departed rest in peace.
1. (euphemism) To have passed away, or died.
Yesterday I was talking about the most important thing, but I realize that was actually my second most important question. (You're very good at avoiding the main points and entering a side street, to distract other people's attention, but I'm not sure if I find that admirable) The most important question you still didn't answer if I'm right:
So, instead that I have to search for your opinion in a dictionary or so, I'd rather read it directly written by you. Also, if I read something in a dictionary and I don't quite understand, I can try and ask the dictionary, but I'm afraid the dictionary will not answer me. And I hope you will.
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BB wrote:But it's about the definition you find in a dictionary, not in someone's mind.
And the same question about everything you said in your big post yesterday about definitions en dictionaries. Also the sentencesM wrote:5 Is the quote above to be found in a dictionary, or does it come out of someone's mind perhaps?
Is that to be found in a dictionary? Let me give the answer myself. No, no, and no! It is all coming from your mind. It is your opinion. In your opinion, it's a fact that this ..... , and it's a fact that that .... . But if something is a fact in your opinion doesn't mean that it is a fact. It's still your opinion. And if something in that opinion is not quite correct, that means that everything in that big post is not correct. And are you able to proof that your opinion is correct?you wrote:It is not about ...... , but it is about ...... .
So, instead that I have to search for your opinion in a dictionary or so, I'd rather read it directly written by you. Also, if I read something in a dictionary and I don't quite understand, I can try and ask the dictionary, but I'm afraid the dictionary will not answer me. And I hope you will.
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billy bob wrote:OK.Marinus wrote:Thanks. In that case, can we please have an agreement, that you don't call things an "obvious fact", while I think it's not an "obvious fact"?
And there is on this entire world only one person who can say for 100% sure what that means. And that person is me. If you wrote exactly the same words, it could mean something different.I wrote:Therefore all I want to know is your opinion. What the dictionary, the rules, or Patrick say about this, I don't care at all, in this discussion with Q, BB and me.
Those 2 sentences are connected to each other. The second sentence is to make the first one more clear.
Also those three separate parts are connected to each other. With rules, dictionaries, and Patrick, I mean: Other people's opinion. And I'm pretty sure that's not what you mean with only "rules".
Also, " in this discussion with Q, BB and me." means something else then: "in general", so, if you forgot that part, or even worse, abandoned it on purpose, you changed something I wrote.
Also, the word "this":
It seems you had no idea what I meant with that, sinceWhat the dictionary, the rules, or Patrick say about this,
So when you change my words in the quote, you had no idea what you changed.you wrote:My opinion about what about the rules?
billy bob wrote:Marinus wrote:What the dictionary, the rules, or Patrick say about this, I don't care at all...
So, you let it seem that I wrote:What the rules say about this, I don't care at all...
So, you didn't forget, you did it on purpose! And the word "almost" makes a lot difference. But I hope I made clear now, that it was not even almost the same, it was quite different. You violated my words!BB wrote:I didn't forget to quote the rest. And if you look at all the words hat are not in bold you will see that it says almost the same thing. By putting the words in bold, that was just me saying what I was replying to. And frankly, this part of your post (and the next part) made me very upset.
Please, don't do that ever again!
To be continued. At least, if you're still too proud to admit your mistakes.
In the meantime, do you have an idea, what made you so upset?BB wrote:I'm not wrong.
It was joke. Marinus, don't you really have sense of humor?Marinus wrote:Also, the word "this":It seems you had no idea what I meant with that, sinceWhat the dictionary, the rules, or Patrick say about this,So when you change my words in the quote, you had no idea what you changed.you wrote:My opinion about what about the rules?billy bob wrote:Marinus wrote:What the dictionary, the rules, or Patrick say about this, I don't care at all...So, you let it seem that I wrote:What the rules say about this, I don't care at all...So, you didn't forget, you did it on purpose! And the word "almost" makes a lot difference. But I hope I made clear now, that it was not even almost the same, it was quite different. You violated my words!BB wrote:I didn't forget to quote the rest. And if you look at all the words hat are not in bold you will see that it says almost the same thing. By putting the words in bold, that was just me saying what I was replying to. And frankly, this part of your post (and the next part) made me very upset.
Please, don't do that ever again!
And if you are going to say it was unclear, then I can tell you it was just as unclear as your joke.
You.Marinus wrote:In the meantime, do you have an idea, what made you so upset?
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Let's this topic "Rest in peace"
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