PHILOSOPHY ON OUR EXISTENCE

[StinkerSquad01]

I think, therefore I am.

THE END.
And no arguing about this post.

[tyteen4a03]

If I do not think, am I?

[Emerald141]

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[Master Wonder Mage]

If I weren't typing this, but yet I am, all reality would be a contradiction.

So if you didn't make that post, all of reality would contradict itself? Where did you gain such influence? Did you perhaps totally be without the slightest hint of not being in any iota?

No. What I was saying was that if I could be doing something, yet not doing something, then everything could be able to be a contradiction. If one thing has proved something possible, then why couldn't and shouldn't everything be able to do the same thing. In other words, its impossible to be able to do something yet not do it.

Actually, you can. Lets say, you can go punch your monitor but you can avoid doing it.

But I can't go punch my monitor but not go punch my monitor at the same time.

[StinkerSquad01]

If I do not think, am I?

Yes, because you'd probably be a rock.

[billy bob]

If the monitor was punched, then it couldn't have not been punched.

Here, let me bring up another argument for our relations to (non)topics. For those of you who have played Portal 2, you'll recall that Cave Johnson wants to burn your house down with combustible lemons. How is this possible? Due to being a fictional character, Cave Johnson isn't, and will never truly be. And yet, in-game, Cave Johnson is. Actually, in his case, he's dead, so technically, he isn't in terms of liveliness. The lemons will never be, but if people want to derail such a sophisticated discussion, then I will indeed make the lemons be, and I will truly burn your house down with no regrets and no mercy. (Non)topics only exist on the internet and Cave Johnson and his lemons only exist in the reality of video games. Do we only exist on the plane of life, or is there more to it?

"Cave Johnson" and "his lemons" don't exist. Only the pixels and sound making the illusion do.



For whoever is reading this, you do exist. Because if you can read this, you do exist. And your own existence is the only thing you can know.

[Nobody]

And your own existence is the only thing you can know.

Darn.

[Master Wonder Mage]

For whoever is reading this, you do exist.

But what if you don't exist? If you don't exist, then your post doesn't exist, and in order to read a non-existent post, we must not exist.

[boywhoflies]

If I weren't typing this, but yet I am, all reality would be a contradiction.

So if you didn't make that post, all of reality would contradict itself? Where did you gain such influence? Did you perhaps totally be without the slightest hint of not being in any iota?

No. What I was saying was that if I could be doing something, yet not doing something, then everything could be able to be a contradiction. If one thing has proved something possible, then why couldn't and shouldn't everything be able to do the same thing. In other words, its impossible to be able to do something yet not do it.

Actually, you can. Lets say, you can go punch your monitor but you can avoid doing it.

But I can't go punch my monitor but not go punch my monitor at the same time.

You could punch your monitor with your left hand and not punch it with your right hand. But that's getting a little far.

[Nobody]

For whoever is reading this, you do exist.

But what if you don't exist? If you don't exist, then your post doesn't exist, and in order to read a non-existent post, we must not exist.

Except many things don't exist. If everything that doesn't exist is hurdled together in some sort of Quarter-Void, wouldn't it have the most wonderful places and things and the most deadly weapons? Or is there a place like that? Like maybe wefight? *shot*

[boywhoflies]

For whoever is reading this, you do exist.

But what if you don't exist? If you don't exist, then your post doesn't exist, and in order to read a non-existent post, we must not exist.

Except many things don't exist. If everything that doesn't exist is hurdled together in some sort of Quarter-Void, wouldn't it have the most wonderful places and things and the most deadly weapons? Or is there a place like that? Like maybe wefight? *shot*

Stephen Hawking said whatever is tecnically possible is likely to be real. So somewhere out there, there might be a place a little like planet wefight.

[Master Wonder Mage]

And my failure to quote properly is messing everybody up.

And since it is technically possible that we don't exist, and that video game characters play games about us and create the rooms we walk in, does that mean that that is probably true?

[billy bob]

For whoever is reading this, you do exist.

But what if you don't exist? If you don't exist, then your post doesn't exist, and in order to read a non-existent post, we must not exist.

If I am nonexistent, then you can see my nonexistent post and understand its point.

Except many things don't exist.

Nothing doesn't exist.

If I weren't typing this, but yet I am, all reality would be a contradiction.

So if you didn't make that post, all of reality would contradict itself? Where did you gain such influence? Did you perhaps totally be without the slightest hint of not being in any iota?

No. What I was saying was that if I could be doing something, yet not doing something, then everything could be able to be a contradiction. If one thing has proved something possible, then why couldn't and shouldn't everything be able to do the same thing. In other words, its impossible to be able to do something yet not do it.

Actually, you can. Lets say, you can go punch your monitor but you can avoid doing it.

But I can't go punch my monitor but not go punch my monitor at the same time.

You could punch your monitor with your left hand and not punch it with your right hand. But that's getting a little far.

No, you are still punching your computer screen.

[Emerald141]

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[Emerald141]

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[MyNameIsKooky]

Here, let me bring up another argument for our relations to (non)topics. For those of you who have played Portal 2, you'll recall that Cave Johnson wants to burn your house down with combustible lemons. How is this possible? Due to being a fictional character, Cave Johnson isn't, and will never truly be. And yet, in-game, Cave Johnson is. Actually, in his case, he's dead, so technically, he isn't in terms of liveliness. The lemons will never be, but if people want to derail such a sophisticated discussion, then I will indeed make the lemons be, and I will truly burn your house down with no regrets and no mercy. (Non)topics only exist on the internet and Cave Johnson and his lemons only exist in the reality of video games. Do we only exist on the plane of life, or is there more to it?

"Cave Johnson" and "his lemons" don't exist. Only the pixels and sound making the illusion do.

You're using the wrong scale of being if you think that way. On the level of video games, they do exist.

Nothing doesn't exist.

Actually, nothing is the absence of existence, which exists.

lol @ people who are taking this topic seriously

[boywhoflies]

For whoever is reading this, you do exist.

But what if you don't exist? If you don't exist, then your post doesn't exist, and in order to read a non-existent post, we must not exist.

If I am nonexistent, then you can see my nonexistent post and understand its point.

Except many things don't exist.

Nothing doesn't exist.

If I weren't typing this, but yet I am, all reality would be a contradiction.

So if you didn't make that post, all of reality would contradict itself? Where did you gain such influence? Did you perhaps totally be without the slightest hint of not being in any iota?

No. What I was saying was that if I could be doing something, yet not doing something, then everything could be able to be a contradiction. If one thing has proved something possible, then why couldn't and shouldn't everything be able to do the same thing. In other words, its impossible to be able to do something yet not do it.

Actually, you can. Lets say, you can go punch your monitor but you can avoid doing it.

But I can't go punch my monitor but not go punch my monitor at the same time.

You could punch your monitor with your left hand and not punch it with your right hand. But that's getting a little far.

No, you are still punching your computer screen.

With your left hand. You aren't punching it with your right hand.

My point is more funny than anything.

[VirtLands]

Nothing will come of reading this (non)topic, of which it is not. If you continue to read this (non)topic I will become upset. "I," however, is an understatement, as I don't exist and since this (non)topic, of which it is not, was written by me, who also is not ... (?) If I, in the fundamental sense of the word, which is not, is not, then we must question our, also nonexistent, underlying beliefs. Therefore, we must ask ourselves, which we aren't, who IS? While this appears to be a topic, the very topic it tries to represent lies outside of what this truly is. The latter was not a question. Is this not not a question?

Must we live our lives, which aren't, according to the principles of not, which are not? Then what is it? WHAT? Is it W, which is not, H, which is not, or I, which is not either? Are you there? No. Am I here? No. Well then, WHO IS? We know: YOU, not the U symbolic, but you pronomial. But let's not be absurd. Let's not label our own labels. Otherwise we are making this topic a topic. AND THIS MIGHT NOT BE A TOPIC!!! Why? Because you aren't. So, ah, all who aren't, are, and those who are, are not. But wait, this means that if one, being not one, is not, then they of course must not be, then won't, but were, now aren't, then is, but not ... one. Ah, it is all now apparently obvious, no?

Yet the question, which may not be, still exists on whether or not this (non)topic is truly not. Discuss.

Wow, those are deep thoughts,

..maybe neither you nor I exist; we're simply the thoughts of
many minds fused together in a parallel array, fooled into
thinking that we're separate.

hosted by a massive CPU structure
--a kind of artificial intelligence that communicates with itself, not
knowing that the parts are "one" .

[boywhoflies]

Mabye we are real, but our lives here aren't. For all we know we are all in a coma and we are connected by some computer-thingy. The life we are having now could just be our imaginations.

[size=0]Just for the record, I don't actually belive in any of this. :p[/size]

[Muzozavr]

WORD CRUFT

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Have to say it's not really a good argument, because the goal is not to find some truth but to utterly confuse. But... OK, this is fun! But not in the dead of night, which it currently is for me. I really should be asleep now... *yawn*

[Marinus]

Interesting!

Like some other people said, perhaps with different words:

The only thing I can be sure of, is that I exist. Everything that seems to happen in my life, such as this forum and all you people who are posting on this forum, can be just part of my imagination, an illusion or a dream. I can not be sure that you really exist. However, as someone mentioned: The characters in a video game, movie, book etc. do exists in the level of that game, movie or book. The same way I can be sure that you all exist in the level of my imagination or self-awareness. But I can't be sure that you exist at an absolute level. Then I only know that I exist.

However, I'm not able to prove it to you. Because, if you really exist, then that's the only thing that you can be sure of. Then I might be just a character in your imagination.


To be, or not to be........ What was exactly the question?

[MyNameIsKooky]

This thread was originally supposed to be a joke and now people are making sense out of it...

[Marinus]

Well, then apparently it was a very good joke. Because, although I didn't understand very much of your first post, I think the best jokes have a serious meaning.

[Master Wonder Mage]

And I love arguing about pointless things.

[boywhoflies]

Same here.

[billy bob]

Here, let me bring up another argument for our relations to (non)topics. For those of you who have played Portal 2, you'll recall that Cave Johnson wants to burn your house down with combustible lemons. How is this possible? Due to being a fictional character, Cave Johnson isn't, and will never truly be. And yet, in-game, Cave Johnson is. Actually, in his case, he's dead, so technically, he isn't in terms of liveliness. The lemons will never be, but if people want to derail such a sophisticated discussion, then I will indeed make the lemons be, and I will truly burn your house down with no regrets and no mercy. (Non)topics only exist on the internet and Cave Johnson and his lemons only exist in the reality of video games. Do we only exist on the plane of life, or is there more to it?

"Cave Johnson" and "his lemons" don't exist. Only the pixels and sound making the illusion do.

You're using the wrong scale of being if you think that way. On the level of video games, they do exist.

There is only one level of existence we can know. The one we live in. The video games aren't from another level. They are just pixels and sounds in this level.

Whatever we know, is from this level.

If I weren't typing this, but yet I am, all reality would be a contradiction.

So if you didn't make that post, all of reality would contradict itself? Where did you gain such influence? Did you perhaps totally be without the slightest hint of not being in any iota?

No. What I was saying was that if I could be doing something, yet not doing something, then everything could be able to be a contradiction. If one thing has proved something possible, then why couldn't and shouldn't everything be able to do the same thing. In other words, its impossible to be able to do something yet not do it.

Actually, you can. Lets say, you can go punch your monitor but you can avoid doing it.

But I can't go punch my monitor but not go punch my monitor at the same time.

You could punch your monitor with your left hand and not punch it with your right hand. But that's getting a little far.

No, you are still punching your computer screen.

With your left hand. You aren't punching it with your right hand.

Both arms are controlled by your brain. It doesn't matter which arm you controlled to punch it and which arm you didn't, either way, you punched it.

Nothing doesn't exist.

Yes it does.

No, I don't mean that there isn't such thing as nothing, I mean that there isn't a thing that doesn't exist.

[Emerald141]

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[boywhoflies]

If I weren't typing this, but yet I am, all reality would be a contradiction.

So if you didn't make that post, all of reality would contradict itself? Where did you gain such influence? Did you perhaps totally be without the slightest hint of not being in any iota?

No. What I was saying was that if I could be doing something, yet not doing something, then everything could be able to be a contradiction. If one thing has proved something possible, then why couldn't and shouldn't everything be able to do the same thing. In other words, its impossible to be able to do something yet not do it.

Actually, you can. Lets say, you can go punch your monitor but you can avoid doing it.

But I can't go punch my monitor but not go punch my monitor at the same time.

You could punch your monitor with your left hand and not punch it with your right hand. But that's getting a little far.

No, you are still punching your computer screen.

With your left hand. You aren't punching it with your right hand.

Both arms are controlled by your brain. It doesn't matter which arm you controlled to punch it and which arm you didn't, either way, you punched it.

True. The best arguement I can think of is that if someone grabs your fist and makes you do it, you aren't doing it yourself, and that wasn't what we were saying.

[Emerald141]

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[billy bob]

there isn't a thing that doesn't exist.

Cave Johnson and his lemons don't exist.

So which is it?

I said there isn't a thing that doesn't exist. Cave Johnson and his lemons aren't things, because they don't exist. If it doesn't exist, it isn't a thing.



And I think it is impossible for anything to get from one plane of existence to another, so some evil guy can't delete all planes, for it is not possible to occur.

If I weren't typing this, but yet I am, all reality would be a contradiction.

So if you didn't make that post, all of reality would contradict itself? Where did you gain such influence? Did you perhaps totally be without the slightest hint of not being in any iota?

No. What I was saying was that if I could be doing something, yet not doing something, then everything could be able to be a contradiction. If one thing has proved something possible, then why couldn't and shouldn't everything be able to do the same thing. In other words, its impossible to be able to do something yet not do it.

Actually, you can. Lets say, you can go punch your monitor but you can avoid doing it.

But I can't go punch my monitor but not go punch my monitor at the same time.

You could punch your monitor with your left hand and not punch it with your right hand. But that's getting a little far.

No, you are still punching your computer screen.

With your left hand. You aren't punching it with your right hand.

Both arms are controlled by your brain. It doesn't matter which arm you controlled to punch it and which arm you didn't, either way, you punched it.

True. The best arguement I can think of is that if someone grabs your fist and makes you do it, you aren't doing it yourself, and that wasn't what we were saying.

In that case then you would just be not punching it, not not punching it and punching it.

Well, your fist is the one colliding with the computer screen, so that's still you doing it. And if someone made you do it, you can't really have avoided doing it.

If someone controlled your arm to do it then it wouldn't have been you doing it, for you were not the one controlling your arm.