Three Users requesting un-banning: asking for comments

boywhoflies · Post by **boywhoflies** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:05 pm

Mods have mod powers.

Edit others posts, split topics, ect. .

Marinus · Post by **Marinus** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:08 pm

BB: Moderators can lock topics, delete posts etc. (That's the point of being a moderator)

Doesn't mean they, or their opinions are more important.

Flying Boy: Exactly.

Qloof234 · Post by **Qloof234** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:12 pm

tyteen4a03 wrote:@Marinus: We don't, but we have the right to ask for one, and our influence on Patrick will be much bigger than the users.

I disagree. What we're doing is essentially volunteer work, so we're still subject to the same rules and guidelines as everyone else. Doesn't mean our thoughts are more important.

billy bob · Post by **billy bob** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:17 pm

boywhoflies wrote:Mods have mod powers.

Edit others posts, split topics, ect. .

Marinus wrote:BB: Moderators can lock topics, delete posts etc. (That's the point of being a moderator)

Doesn't mean they, or their opinions are more important.

Flying Boy: Exactly.

Oh. Yes. All correct.

boywhoflies · Post by **boywhoflies** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:21 pm

Marinus wrote:Flying Boy: Exactly.

Cool.

tyteen4a03 · Post by **tyteen4a03** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:55 am

Marinus wrote:BB: Moderators can lock topics, delete posts etc. (That's the point of being a moderator)

Doesn't mean they, or their opinions are more important.

Flying Boy: Exactly.

Our opinions are not essentially more important, nor can we break the rules - it just means stuff said by mods have a little bit more of an power.

I screwed up my argument.

Marinus · Post by **Marinus** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:05 am

Thanks.

boywhoflies · Post by **boywhoflies** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:05 pm

Hi. Deeman asked someone to put a link to a topic on NFW, talking about his ban. I guess he wants it there so you can read it, I'm not saying to go make a account.

Here's the link.
http://noobfreeworld.forumotion.ca/t57- ... an-ban#598

Emerald141 · Post by **Emerald141** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:20 pm

boywhoflies · Post by **boywhoflies** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:33 pm

Don't be a noob is actually in the NFW rules...he's not that bad, though, at least how he's acting. If he starts acting more like a noob(like he was before he was banned, no offence deeman) he's gonna get shoved off of NFW too.

FBG dosen't have that rule, though.

Qloof234 · Post by **Qloof234** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:01 am

Sorry, but no, I don't see any major differences. I've noticed a decrease in his attitude overall but I'm still getting a negative vibe from his post (and yes, I read the part about it because of getting banned).

Other notes...

Hello.
In this topic I will send random enemies a- *shot*
Let's try that again.

*goes to finish AODD by its planned due date, leaving it finished inconveniently before people can tell me errors due to ban, making AoDD just like ET3 and things I wanted fixed*
*sees last line*
Ooh...
*shot by MyNameIsKooky*

While there's nothing wrong with "lolrandom" humor, overusing it is annoying. I appreciate you're just kidding around, Deeman, but in my own opinion, it's a bit spammy.

The problem was, that I needed help fixing my attitude, and you guys can help

This is the main issue I have here. We've tried to help, several times before, only for it to get rejected with denial or ignored. While it might not apply here, you'll find that if someone tries to help you, and you reject them, they won't be eager to provide assistance if you ask for it.

I have stuff to do at the moment, so I'll expand later.

tyteen4a03 · Post by **tyteen4a03** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:58 am

@Deeman if you are reading this, and to others who think 6 months is long: 6 months is not long. I was banned for a year before I decided to try to ask for a comeback. If you think 6 months is too long, it implies that you think the forum is not worthy enough for you to wait for 6 months, there you should not come back.

And we could have had you banned forever. Just so you know.

eee226 · Post by **eee226** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:47 pm

I feel sorry for Deeman But why does he have to be like a crazy man?

Edited by tyteen: Fixed typo upon request(?)
Also, next time you can just ignore the typos - most people don't mind them.

Emerald141 · Post by **Emerald141** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:39 pm

boywhoflies · Post by **boywhoflies** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:47 pm

Wow, you must have one heck of a huge point to make...
Not that I can blame you.

(No offence, deeman)

Qloof234 · Post by **Qloof234** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:10 am

Emerald141 wrote:*long post*

Aaaand you just summed up exactly what I was thinking about this. I'm impressed.

In other words:

Marinus · Post by **Marinus** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:16 am

About DEEMAN ban
DEEMAN223344 on Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:49 pm

A dead man cannot admit that they know that they are wrong, only because you have killed him for not doing so the second they made the mistake.

...

A dead man cannot point out others' mistakes, as you prevented him from admitting his own.

...

A dead man can not agree to pass on his comments.

Last edited by DEEMAN223344 on Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:08 pm; edited 2 times in total

Apparently a dead man can still edit his posts.

... HOWEVER, you have ironically not been listening to Marinus during our arguments. He ALWAYS tells you not to look at the past. That is the case here, as stuff from before my first ban, and for a while after is NOT a viable argument to keep me banned.

Perhaps you didn't understand my words very well. My words were not spoken to the other people, but to you, Deeman. So they were also not meant, that you would use them against other people.

And as far as I know it was meant mainly, because you were talking a lot about someone called "Kacpero", while I never had seen that person here on the forum. Probably he had left a while ago, so it didn't make any sense to keep talking about that. But, although you are banned, you still seem to be here on the forum, like a ghost.

It also doesn't make any sense to use other people's words; to hide behind other people's opinion. I don't remember that I ever have said: "You should do this or that because <someone> said so". When I have something to say, then I have just my own opinion, my own explanation, my own words.

And if you use my words, please remember that I also use to say that people should make clear what they want to say, not using unnecessary caps, like you're still doing, and strange words like "OHNOES".

That is the case here, as stuff from before my first ban, and for a while after is NOT a viable argument to keep me banned.

As far as I know, your second ban was not very long after your first. So, what more information do we have about you, except "stuff from before my first ban, and for a while after"?

I assume a dead man can still post on the noob free forum, and if it's something important fo me to know, then I trust that noob free Flying Boy will give me a sign.

I still don't know what "noob" now exactly means, but nevermind.

boywhoflies · Post by **boywhoflies** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:34 am

Marinus wrote:I assume a dead man can still post on the noob free forum, and if it's something important fo me to know, then I trust that noob free Flying Boy will give me a sign.

Yeah, he can.

I know you said nevermind, but I'm posting anyway...I don't realy know what noob means.

I think it's someone who fails like crazy.
I should of checked what "noob" meant before I started a site for people who hate noobs.

boywhoflies · Post by **boywhoflies** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:35 am

Sorry. I meant I was posting allready, so I might as well add that part.

Qloof234 · Post by **Qloof234** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:36 am

"Noob" is a derogatory term for people who are new to a game or site or anything along those lines. The more respectful term would be "newbie".

MyNameIsKooky · Post by **MyNameIsKooky** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:37 am

"Noob" otherwise known as "newb" means "new person". New people usually are amateurs, or just new people, so... You won't ever have a Noob Free World?

~xpr'd~ · Post by **~xpr'd~** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:41 am

"Noob" does mean that, but people use it more for an insult like any curse word.

Qloof234 wrote:
Emerald141 wrote:*long post*
Aaaand you just summed up exactly what I was thinking about this. I'm impressed.

Thumbs up, kind sire.

boywhoflies · Post by **boywhoflies** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:45 am

I failed! Stuff over there dosen't realy make sence, then...aw well, nobody(not user) seemed to care before. Then again, noob is used as a insult when you mess up on something completely(like xpr said), so I guess the "fail" type noobs that show up on NFW still work.

Marinus · Post by **Marinus** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:48 am

Thanks all.

Kooky, yes I agree. (but it will mean the end of human life in about 80 years or so.

)

billy bob · Post by **billy bob** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:50 pm

Marinus wrote:And as far as I know it was meant mainly, because you were talking a lot about someone called "Kacpero", while I never had seen that person here on the forum. Probably he had left a while ago, so it didn't make any sense to keep talking about that.

Kacpero's profile.

Marinus wrote:(but it will mean the end of human life in about 80 years or so. )

End of life completely.

Marinus · Post by **Marinus** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:33 pm

Thanks, but I don't think it's useful if I'm going to read all those posts, especially since the last one is more then a year ago.

I also want to add something to, what I said to Deeman. Saying that I always tell you not to look at the past, is only half of the truth. I don't remember that I only said that. I always use to say: Don't look back, but look forward, so both, the past and the future as two opposites. Because usually looking back and looking forward are two opposites. But not always.

To explain that, I will describe a few different possible situations, when person A tells about bad things person B-Z has done in the past:

1. There is no evidence that person M really has done such things, and it's also pretty clear that if it really has happened, that person M is not doing the same things in the present, and it's not to be expected that person M will do such things in the future.
2. There is evidence that person T did such things in the past, but it's pretty obvious that it will not happen again.
3. There is evidence if person K did such things (thanks to person B) but it's too much work to read all those stuff, and besides, person K is a long forgotten story in the meantime. It's been more then a year since we've heard anything about person K.
4. There is evidence that person D did those things in the past, even more then once, and if it will happen again in the future..... Nobody knows. (not the username "Nobody")

Well, in case 1, 2, and 3, I think it's completely nonsense to look back. What goal will you reach with it? But in that 4th situation, I think it's not possible to look forward, without looking back too. The one and only purpose of looking at bad things happened in the past, is to prevent them happen again in the future. So in that case my saying would be: Look forward, but also look back. Perhaps you're walking in circles, and forward and back are the same.

Personally I would give you the benefit of the doubt, and let you come back to the forum under certain conditions, but if Patrick and other people here think different; I can't blame them for that.

Then there's one more thing: A little while ago, you said that I had done the same as you had done, for which you were banned. A moderator deleted the whole mess, and that's OK with me, because I'd rather not talk about those things specific, if there's no good reason for. The only thing I want to say is this:

If someone on this forum has a problem with something I do, then I want to know right at that moment! Perhaps after a few days, and in case it's someone who watches the forum only once in a month, then it may be a little while later. Then we can talk about it, and try to get an agreement about it. If the other person has a good point, I'll admit it. Actually I'd rather would expect the same from everyone on Earth, but I'm aware that's too much expectations in humanity.

However, if it happens that someone says something about it, a few months later, then I consider that post as a Stupid Pointless Annoying Message. And if, by coincidence, that person is person D, then I'm going to post here on the forum, and send a PM to person P, asking for a P ban.

Well, I hope I've made clear now, what I mean with: Don't look back, but look forward. If you have any questions, as long as you're still banned, please post them on the Noob free forum.

boywhoflies · Post by **boywhoflies** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:44 pm

Yey, NFW is good for something!

Marinus · Post by **Marinus** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:48 pm

Yes I would appreciate if you would tell Deeman that I had something to say to him, and tell, in case he has something to say to me on your forum. Actually I don't think Deeman and I have so much to talk with each other, otherwise I would sign in for your forum, just like Emerald.

boywhoflies · Post by **boywhoflies** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:05 pm

Ok, I'll tell him.

tyteen4a03 · Post by **tyteen4a03** » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:24 am

Marinus wrote:2. There is evidence that person T did such things in the past, but it's pretty obvious that it will not happen again.

Implication alert *shot*

@Q: It's a static image now isn't it?

These stuff are called sophism, in case anybody's interested in it. Saying "If somebody did that and did not get blamed, then I can do it without getting blamed" is sophism.

Yes, he didn't get blamed. But this could be one of the following situations:
-The supervisor did not know about this incident, so he did not get blamed. If the supervisor was notified there is a possibility that he would not get blamed. That leads to the following:
-The supervisor made an exception on him. Whatever he likes him more or what, it does NOT necessary apply to you. You and him are 2 different objects, and should be considered so.

Hope this clears the confusion of people.

PS: Okay, another post related to philosophy. I have no life.