You are so close to the solution.
The lack of mass can't be negated.
What's left?
Reread your own post very carefully now.
Yes/No-question puzzle
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rescuefire
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Blessed are those who can give without remembering and take without forgetting.Where have you seen it as a scientific FACT? 
Darkness (or absence of light) is just zero light. And light, any, is SOME light. This is a substractive process, and not a negating one.
To be a true physical opposite, you need NEGATION. Something that negates the light without affecting the light-source. And that would be some kind of an (impossible) anti-photon generator.
Example: You have a room with a 100-watt bulb turned on. You turn on this anti-photon generator and the room is suddenly darker, even though NOTHING happens to the actual light source. Absolutely nothing.
Just google "the opposite of light" and read the second link there, if you still don't agree. You will be surprised.
Darkness (or absence of light) is just zero light. And light, any, is SOME light. This is a substractive process, and not a negating one.
To be a true physical opposite, you need NEGATION. Something that negates the light without affecting the light-source. And that would be some kind of an (impossible) anti-photon generator.
Example: You have a room with a 100-watt bulb turned on. You turn on this anti-photon generator and the room is suddenly darker, even though NOTHING happens to the actual light source. Absolutely nothing.
Just google "the opposite of light" and read the second link there, if you still don't agree. You will be surprised.
Rest in peace, Kym. I hardly knew ya.
Rest in peace, Marinus. A bright star, you were ahead of me on my own tracks of thought. I miss you.
Rest in peace, Marinus. A bright star, you were ahead of me on my own tracks of thought. I miss you.
Well Robyn, if I can believe Muzozavr it's almost finished now. 
So a little more patience please. 
Muzo, I didn't find an exact answer on my question but I guess it's not about mass, but about weight. Right?
And which of my own posts I should read again? The one before this one?
Ok if it's about weight or gravity force, then here's my sort of definitions
Heaviness = a big force down
Lightness = a small force down
If the opposite has to compensate/negate it then the opposite of lightness should be:
A small force up.
Like a helium balloon or a heat air balloon has a upward force in normal air.
So a little more patience please. Muzo, I didn't find an exact answer on my question but I guess it's not about mass, but about weight. Right?
And which of my own posts I should read again? The one before this one?
Ok if it's about weight or gravity force, then here's my sort of definitions
Heaviness = a big force down
Lightness = a small force down
If the opposite has to compensate/negate it then the opposite of lightness should be:
A small force up.
Like a helium balloon or a heat air balloon has a upward force in normal air.
So there are two solutions actually. 
It depends whether you count the opposite for counteracting the force or the LACK of weight. So my solution was actually gravity, since it's what adds weight, but both seem correct to me.
You are a monster, I am now utterly confused. Both are correct but are opposites of themselves (gravity pulls down, counteracting force is your "force up") so how can it be?!
Maybe you're more correct after all?
Anyway, your turn now.
It depends whether you count the opposite for counteracting the force or the LACK of weight. So my solution was actually gravity, since it's what adds weight, but both seem correct to me.
You are a monster, I am now utterly confused. Both are correct but are opposites of themselves (gravity pulls down, counteracting force is your "force up") so how can it be?!
Maybe you're more correct after all?
Anyway, your turn now.
Rest in peace, Kym. I hardly knew ya.
Rest in peace, Marinus. A bright star, you were ahead of me on my own tracks of thought. I miss you.
Rest in peace, Marinus. A bright star, you were ahead of me on my own tracks of thought. I miss you.
Actually I've got it sorted now. The logic is the same, but it leads us to two slightly different possible definitions for "lightness": a SMALL force down, or the LACK OF A BIGGER force down.
To negate the force itself, you need a force in the opposite direction, therefore Marinus's "small force up".
To negate the LACK of a force, you need to make it bigger without affecting the source, therefore the gravity.
See how complicated a puny six-word question can be.
Authors of minimalist riddles: LEARN! Rest in peace, Kym. I hardly knew ya.
Rest in peace, Marinus. A bright star, you were ahead of me on my own tracks of thought. I miss you.
Rest in peace, Marinus. A bright star, you were ahead of me on my own tracks of thought. I miss you.
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I think you're right. However in my opinion the opposite of "the lack of something" belongs in the first category of my definitions of the word "opposite" : To be or not to be
And when you are talking about something like: the opposite of the lack of something bigger, or, the opposite of the lack of more, I think it can become a pretty complicated philosophy
Anyhow it was a nice riddle, but I don't know another good one right now. Beside that, there were two more people who posted a riddle. Actually not exactly that kind of riddles I have in mind with a little story what happened but maybe I'll give it a try
But if someone else has a good Y/N story/situation puzzle it's allright with me too.
Edit: Oh I see someone did yet.
And when you are talking about something like: the opposite of the lack of something bigger, or, the opposite of the lack of more, I think it can become a pretty complicated philosophy
Anyhow it was a nice riddle, but I don't know another good one right now. Beside that, there were two more people who posted a riddle. Actually not exactly that kind of riddles I have in mind with a little story what happened but maybe I'll give it a try
But if someone else has a good Y/N story/situation puzzle it's allright with me too.
Edit: Oh I see someone did yet.
This is too easy. A shark bit his mask off, or himself.
Riddle:A person is going near water.Shallow water.When he returns,he has blood somewhere.How did this happen?
Riddle:A person is going near water.Shallow water.When he returns,he has blood somewhere.How did this happen?
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To speegled: a medusa has bitten him?
To tyteen: the oxygen ran out? OR: did he die of old age during the swim?
Simple things first, complicated stuff later.
To Marinus: Gravity counteracts the LACK of weight. A small force up counteracts weight itself as force. However, they are both negating each other, and so they still belong in definition 5... The negation is the important part from there.
Wow, I followed a "simple" idea that absence is not opposite, and it turned out so mind-numbingly complex.
To tyteen: the oxygen ran out? OR: did he die of old age during the swim?
Simple things first, complicated stuff later.
To Marinus: Gravity counteracts the LACK of weight. A small force up counteracts weight itself as force. However, they are both negating each other, and so they still belong in definition 5... The negation is the important part from there.
Wow, I followed a "simple" idea that absence is not opposite, and it turned out so mind-numbingly complex.
Rest in peace, Kym. I hardly knew ya.
Rest in peace, Marinus. A bright star, you were ahead of me on my own tracks of thought. I miss you.
Rest in peace, Marinus. A bright star, you were ahead of me on my own tracks of thought. I miss you.
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tyteen4a03
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Wrong.He is a young man,and someone hates him...Muzozavr wrote:To speegled: a medusa has bitten him?
To tyteen: the oxygen ran out? OR: did he die of old age during the swim?
Simple things first, complicated stuff later.
To Marinus: Gravity counteracts the LACK of weight. A small force up counteracts weight itself as force. However, they are both negating each other, and so they still belong in definition 5... The negation is the important part from there.
Wow, I followed a "simple" idea that absence is not opposite, and it turned out so mind-numbingly complex.
P.S:It's about oxygen...
Muzozavr, to make the story a little more complicated, I think gravity is included in the definition of weight, so you are making a sort of nested formula/subroutine in a manner of speaking.
I think the weight of an object on a planet is proportional with:
a. the mass of the object
b. the gravity of the planet
If you want to make its weight bigger you can do two things:
a. make the mass of the object bigger
b. make the gravity of the planet bigger, or with other words: make the mass of the planet bigger (to Jupiter )
So if the gravity is the opposite of lightness, mass should be as well.
So now the simple things. To the other people posting riddles, I agree with Muzo, there are too many possible solutions. I think a good riddle should have one real solution and just a few alternatives. Let's say both people were bitten by red herrings, one died and the other stayed alive.
Edit: I see just now Tyteen you posted again. Now we can talk
1 Was something wrong with the oxigen?
2 Was it only oxigen?
3 Was something wrong with the bottle/installation?
4 Did he breath another kind of material/matter then just oxigen, nitrogen and carbon dioxide ? I mean something he was not supposed to breath.
5 Did he breath too much or too less oxigen or one of the other materials/matter?
I think the weight of an object on a planet is proportional with:
a. the mass of the object
b. the gravity of the planet
If you want to make its weight bigger you can do two things:
a. make the mass of the object bigger
b. make the gravity of the planet bigger, or with other words: make the mass of the planet bigger (to Jupiter
)So if the gravity is the opposite of lightness, mass should be as well.
So now the simple things.
To the other people posting riddles, I agree with Muzo, there are too many possible solutions. I think a good riddle should have one real solution and just a few alternatives. Let's say both people were bitten by red herrings, one died and the other stayed alive. Edit: I see just now Tyteen you posted again. Now we can talk
1 Was something wrong with the oxigen?
2 Was it only oxigen?
3 Was something wrong with the bottle/installation?
4 Did he breath another kind of material/matter then just oxigen, nitrogen and carbon dioxide ? I mean something he was not supposed to breath.
5 Did he breath too much or too less oxigen or one of the other materials/matter?
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Is that your guess,or are you just playing?Marinus wrote:Let's say both people were bitten by red herrings, one died and the other stayed alive.
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Tyteen I edited my previous post, adding some questions for your riddle
Speegled, indeed I was just playing. Let's give it a try
1. Did he hit something or stepped on a sharp object or such
2. Did something/someone hit/touch him.
a. an object?
b. an animal?
c. a human?
d. a plant or such?
e. an animal or human using an object?
Speegled, indeed I was just playing.
Let's give it a try1. Did he hit something or stepped on a sharp object or such
2. Did something/someone hit/touch him.
a. an object?
b. an animal?
c. a human?
d. a plant or such?
e. an animal or human using an object?
Ugh... Dammit, you're right. I fell again into the "absence is opposite" trap, only backwards and on a very deep level. Since lack of weight is lack of the gravitational force, then that added gravity is essentially the same mistake. 
So, I was wrong, and you were right, Marinus. Great job!
Remember: the opposite of lightness is a small force up.
speegled: I simply didn't remember a good word, only spiked from platform games. So:
Was he impaled on something underwater?
So, I was wrong, and you were right, Marinus. Great job!
Remember: the opposite of lightness is a small force up.
speegled: I simply didn't remember a good word, only spiked from platform games. So:
Was he impaled on something underwater?
Rest in peace, Kym. I hardly knew ya.
Rest in peace, Marinus. A bright star, you were ahead of me on my own tracks of thought. I miss you.
Rest in peace, Marinus. A bright star, you were ahead of me on my own tracks of thought. I miss you.
Marinus:
Yes,
No
Yes
No
No
No
No.
Muzo:
Yes.
You are gonna get it right now.
Yes,
No
Yes
No
No
No
No.
Muzo:
Yes.
You are gonna get it right now.
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It is, since you start with the hard-to-undestand-but-true concept "absence is not opposite" and you GO from THERE. It's a really easy mistake to make.dlcs18 wrote:OMG. This thread is too confusing. Dx
Btw, that leads to an interesting something:Since absence is the opposite of presence, then darkness is the opposite of the presence of light, but not of light itself. Isn't this weird?
Marinus:
Dammit, that glass is a clever answer! I personally thought more along the lines of spiked fish, but that wouldn't be right at all, since he was NEAR water, not IN water. I'm going to skip my guess, as I am inclined to believe you're right.
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Rest in peace, Kym. I hardly knew ya.
Rest in peace, Marinus. A bright star, you were ahead of me on my own tracks of thought. I miss you.
Rest in peace, Marinus. A bright star, you were ahead of me on my own tracks of thought. I miss you.
