Highscore challenges

[Muzozavr]

If you want to challenge someone to get a particular score(s) on a level, post here.

My challenges on RTWP:
1) 5040 on Look Before You Leap
2) 3180 on Twist Ending

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I3180 on Twist Ending

it cannot be real.

[Muzozavr]

No, it's real. Try harder. But yes, it's not as easy as it looks. There's a small trick to it.

Try the other one... once you try it you WILL be asking yourself the same thing... and it's also real.

I'm extremely close to 5050 on look before you leap but it's *just* out of reach so far...

[Muzozavr]

Come on! Are people so uninterested in highscores at all? No one here?

[MyNameIsKooky]

I'm too stupid to even have a chance to get a fast time, so I'm out of the winning circle.

[Blink]

Well, this is almost the same thing as my World Records book thing.

[Technos72]

my challenge

sticky cubes 4230

[Blink]

1 on "One Last Hurrah!"

I cheated...

[MyNameIsKooky]

Figures.

[Blink]

Hey, I only cheated on that level...

[MyNameIsKooky]

I cheated on pretty much every level of the Ice Troll fortress. I'm lazy.

[Blink]

I try to lose levels sometimes to kill time.

[Muzozavr]

*bump*

my challenge

sticky cubes 4230

Try 4250.

It's possible to get 4240 solely by perfecting the old route, but this one second will require you to think.

EDIT: A-ha-ha-ha-ha, I am awesome. 2980 on Gridlock. I do believe this is the fastest normally possible on this level unless someone finds something even more insane than what I already do. I somehow managed to get 2990 but I do believe it's some sort of a bug/glitch/lag/whatever because this 2980 is one of those "so close" things, but I did the exact same thing again and couldn't replicate 2990. So yes, challenge is 2980.

EDIT 2: Before you ask, the 4250 above can be replicated 100% of the time, the challenge stays.

[Muzozavr]

Here's another challenge, but not a highscore one:

Level: Platinum 19, "Escape from Fire World".
Challenge: Exit the level with both characters and collect all the bonus coins... and no rainbow coins whatsoever.

No glitches required, although you can use them. There's one particular minor quirk that may help you somewhat, but it's not really all that necessary. I don't know of any other glitches that can be used in this challenge.

[Marinus]

I have not the illusion that I can beat you in time on whatever level.

But the other challenge I will take a look at soon.

[Muzozavr]

I have not the illusion that I can beat you in time on whatever level.

Oh come on! You know your solution to TOW W10L4 "Return Trip" was not just the easiest, but also the fastest. Even performed quite slowly it was still faster than the normal way. Optimized and done at speed, there was simply no competition. Remember who made my score of 4690 a reality on that level. YOU.

(Besides, my real attempts at time-trialing levels started with the tutorial set and a few out of platinum, some (quite a lot, but not all) levels from TOW because LinkyNStoof posted his/her scores... so there are quite a few levels which I have not even tried to optimize so far. Those times and scores are dead easy to beat.)

But yes, if I did optimize a level, it's well done. Still, that doesn't mean you can't beat it. I believe in you!

But the other challenge I will take a look at soon.

The "no rainbow coins" one, right? Yep, it's quite hard, but it's easier than it sounds. Plus, you do not need to hurry in this challenge, which is always nice.

[DEEMAN223344]

There's an easy way to finish levels without coins. CHEATING.

[Muzozavr]

There's an easy way to finish levels without coins. CHEATING.

I totally did not expect that! I almost spit my rice laughing!

You're very clever, but...

and collect all the bonus coins...

So, no, cheating is not the answer. The real solution does exist. Keep trying!

[Marinus]

Deeman, yes, that's something we can expect from you indeed. But there are also people (I hope most people) who want to play fair.

Muzo, perhaps I can beat you in time by finding an alternative solution. But probably most alternative solutions are found in the meantime. And actually I was talking about if it's a speedrace with an actionlevel or at least with playing both the same way in a shorter time.

But I'm happy that you believe in me. Thanks.

[boywhoflies]

Ok, not cheating...is it editing the level or hacking?

[Marinus]

Ok, not cheating...is it editing the level or hacking?

What's the difference?

[DEEMAN223344]

If there's any way, then MS made a mistake.

[Muzozavr]

Deeman, yes, that's something we can expect from you indeed. But there are also people (I hope most people) who want to play fair.

His idea is almost completely legit, though -- he just missed the "bonus coins" clause. I've seen some challenges where the idea is to find a breach in the "exact wording" of the rules and it can be satisfying.

Muzo, perhaps I can beat you in time by finding an alternative solution. But probably most alternative solutions are found in the meantime. And actually I was talking about if it's a speedrace with an actionlevel or at least with playing both the same way in a shorter time.

The character speed is not variable. Once you have the route, you follow it through as fast as you can, waiting out only the few hazards you really have to wait out. It gets harder when there's more than one character, insanely hard in RTW and WSW since there's no switch delay. You can start moving, switch and immediately move, saving half-movements. It can be done once easily, but doing it more than once in a row without doing a mistake and LOSING time... Still this is only half the battle, quite possibly the lesser one.

On most levels the best possible route is not that obvious. It doesn't even have to be some big alternate solution -- sometimes simply reordering the actions, or collecting a coin formation one way and not the other can already save a bit of time. And if you do find an alternate solution that's faster, it's great.

But I'm happy that you believe in me. Thanks.

No problem.

Ok, not cheating...is it editing the level or hacking?
A-ha-ha-ha-ha, NO. It's a real solution for that level and it really does exist. No editing and/or hacking required. You just have to think outside the box. Besides, Marinus is right, there's no real difference here, you and DEEMAN223344 are both trying to bend the rules of the challenge and you don't need to do that... it's a 100% legit challenge with no wordplay. Honestly!

If there's any way, then MS made a mistake.
A very forgivable one, given how off-the-wall the whole procedure is.

Comments in bold.

[Marinus]

If there's any way, then MS made a mistake.

Please don't talk about other people's mistakes, until you've reduced the amount of your own mistakes about, let's say, pretty much.

BTW, who do you mean with MS? Patrick? In that case, how do you know that Patrick made that level. As far as I know, most levels are made by other levelmakers.

[StinkerSquad01]

If you want to challenge someone to get a particular score(s) on a level, post here.

My challenges on RTWP:
1) 5040 on Look Before You Leap
2) 3180 on Twist Ending

I'm gonna try for that Twist ending score.

[StinkerSquad01]

Oh, I got 3140! Good enough for me.

[Muzozavr]

You can get it to 3170 simply by playing it normally, as long as you make no mistakes.

The extra second requires a trick.

[DEEMAN223344]

Challenge that I'm gonna try:
100% on 1 last harrah or whatever its called

EDIT2: Make that the adventure I'm about to release. IT REQIRES MOFI

[Muzozavr]

What do you mean by 100%?

EDIT: Oh wait, it's about MOFI and I haven't played that one yet...

[DEEMAN223344]

It's a custom MOFI adventure.
You can download the demo and then:

I have further news though: I found a way to trick demo MOFI into going into a "custom adventures" mode similar to the player program in WA Editor package. [...]

I haven't tested this thoroughly. I already notice that unlike the Editor, when you play custom adventures this way, they seem to always start off with the magic glove, the spy eye and the glow gem already in your item bag. I'm not sure how to suppress this [...]

An update on this: I've finally figured out how to hack demo MOFI's wg.exe to both put it permanently in "custom adventures" mode, and also to suppress it from adding the freebies to your item bag when starting a custom adventure.

I've only tested this in MOFI demo v1.02. Hopefully it'll work on other versions as well. If not, let me know and I'll figure it out.

Hack: permanent "custom adventures" mode
This hack changes the "Start Game" in the main menu so that it goes into the custom adventures selection screen instead, just like wg.exe in the WA Editor package. That business with the special hubs and aborting repeatedly is no longer necessary. To apply:

1) Create a copy of demo MOFI's wg.exe file. We're making copies so that you have a choice of which configuration to run the game in. To run a particular hacked wg.exe, just double click to start it directly, without going through "Wonderland.exe" (which is only useful for selecting screen resolution).

2) open the copy of demo MOFI's wg.exe in a hex editor.

3) use the hex editor's search feature to find the following sequence of bytes (in hex):

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89 5C 24 04 E8 FC FF FF FF 89 04 24 E8 FC FF FF FF C7 05 00 00 00 00 02 00 00 00

Double check that it only finds one occurrence of the above byte sequence in the file. If not then abort the remaining steps and let me know.

4) You might want to make a note of the address/file location where the hex editor found the byte sequence in your copy of wg.exe. That way if you want to change it back or change it to something else, you can just go directly by address to where the bytes are in your particular copy of wg.exe.

5) Look for the byte "02" towards the end of the sequence, and change that to "00".

6) save the changes.

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Hack: empty item bag when starting a custom adventure
This hack suppresses the "freebies" (spy-eye, gloves, glow gem) from being added to the item bag when you start a custom adventure, so custom adventures will start off with nothing, just like in WA Editor. To apply:

1) Create a copy of demo MOFI's wg.exe file. We're making copies so that you have a choice of which configuration to run the game in. To run a particular hacked wg.exe, just double click to start it directly, without going through "Wonderland.exe" (which is only useful for selecting screen resolution).

2) open the copy of demo MOFI's wg.exe in a hex editor.

3) use the hex editor's search feature to find the following sequence of bytes (in hex):

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0F 85 FC FF FF FF C7 05 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C7 05 00 00 00 00 03 00 00 00 C7 05 00 00 00 00 03 00 00 00 BB E9 03 00 00

Double check that it only finds one occurrence of the above byte sequence in the file. If not then abort the remaining steps and let me know.

4) You might want to make a note of the address/file location where the hex editor found the byte sequence in your copy of wg.exe. That way if you want to change it back or change it to something else, you can just go directly by address to where the bytes are in your particular copy of wg.exe.

5) Change the bytes "0F 85" at the beginning of the sequence to "90 E9".

6) save the changes.

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The two hacks are independent, so you can create one copy of wg.exe and hack it so that it always does custom adventures but still gives you the freebies (good for testing perhaps), and another copy that is hacked so that it is both always-custom-adventures and no-freebies (essentially a MOFI version of WA Editor game player!).

I mean gold.