Three Users requesting un-banning: asking for comments

[boywhoflies]

I haven't bothered to make the account.

And actually, that "pass" IS being in a usergroup.

[Marinus]

OK

Well see it from the bright side: The fact that Patrick made this topic, means that he is thinking about to let those people come back. If he already had decided to not let them come back, he wouldn't have made this topic.

[boywhoflies]

Yeah.

[StinkerSquad01]

Of course you'd give MS a pass right BWF? He's MS, and, we're talking about unbans. DEEMAN223344 is also there, but he doesnt come on much.

[tyteen4a03]

If we had moderation queue we could put every post of theirs into moderator queue so it would not be shown unless a mod approves it.

But wait, this is phpBB2. Back to my shelter xD

[Guppy Star]

I don't find anything wrong with having 2 or 3 users as one person, I have 2 users; me and someone who posts where I never posted.

None of us are bad or spammers or rude or as such

[~xpr'd~]

Arvis I don't know much about; I'll investigate his banning later.
Deeman should have another chance. His 1-month ban has been very long. He's matured a fair bit from what I can tell and while he may have been annoying, he still should be part of our community.
EEE was a kid. I think he was fine, but he did do some out-of-line things. He'd be fine to have back for at least a while.

[boywhoflies]

I don't find anything wrong with having 2 or 3 users as one person, I have 2 users; me and someone who posts where I never posted.

None of us are bad or spammers or rude or as such

You too? I have 3 accounts...but I only have about 4 posts with both of them added up.(ispike and ispike2. I forgot my pass to #1, so I made #2, and I forgot my pass to #2, so I made #3, which I am using now.)

[boywhoflies]

Sorry for DP!

Eee want's someone to put up some messages from him, I guess this would be a good place.

Whoa guys I will not spam!

Tell them this I am sorry for all those spam I did!!! I don't think I can have a permanent ban.I am sure to be mature now!

[billy bob]

Here is the entire topic of "Hi its me eee226" in "Eee226's Forum" in "Noob Free World Forums" in "Noob Free World":





Eee226: I have another thing.You guys are great and you guys got fun adventures but........................Deeman is going mad with this OMG LOLHO TEH and all those stuff don't worry I'll be back to tell you all the news and I'm a uncle I have a picture of my nephew on the computer.See you guys later

Boywhoflies: Se ya! Would you want me to tell the others what you said?

Eee226: Quote: "Se ya! Would you want me to tell the others what you said?"
Yeah

Boywhoflies: Ok, I will.

Eee226: Tell them that
What those DEEMAN means when he says,I was born before him????I'm confused all I just said he is going mad with his behavior for example he said Teh forum is dying and He says other stuff like LOLHO OMG and stuff like that .BTW here is a video of toontown and my youtube account is despereaux16
The link to watch the video is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBkcUjSUyos

Boywhoflies: Ok, i will.

Boywhoflies: Sorry for DP, I wanted to make shure you saw this.Deeman says

Quote: "EEE, No. Just no.
I haven't said stuff like "LOLHO OMG" as you claimed, scene i returned to the forum (which you helped me figure out by making eee227)."



It is true.Please stop saying Deeman does that.

Eee226: Tell them:I'm wishing you a happy Christmas this year.And I'm not deepevilaman!I think POTZ should be a movie.I want it to be a cartoon
I wonder if Mr.Patrick is rich enough to make a movie

Boywhoflies: Ok, I will.
Merry x-mas to you too!

Edit:I merged the 2 topics.Why did you make a new one?

Edit 2:Sammy_Bro says

Quote: "Eee, I hope you have an amazing christmas. "

Eee226: Well It says only administrators can post in this post.Anyway Tell them that I have to presents yet and Its almost christmas :'( but you will have a good christmas I hope .

Boywhoflies: It did? I never set that.

I'll tell them.

Eee226: Tell them lets start a POTZ clip I will make the story and who do you want to be?The scripter?The animator? or One of the voice for the zbots or Stinky or loof

Boywhoflies: Will do, buddy!

Eee226: Here is the story:Once there was a z-bot(Its z-bot1)Then stinky and loof and wysp arrived In the Planet of the Z-bot Stinky said We have reached and loof said YAY!!!!!Z-bot1 said Ahhh stinkers.Lets make the clip!(Scripters out)and then we will make part 2.people who have a sound recorder can record the sound

Eee226: And I don't think ill be seeing you guys in a while because my internet will be cut for the rest fot the short days

Boywhoflies: Ok, it's shared.

I hope your internet is not down for long!

Eee226: Just got back my internet .And I just got my credit card so now I can buy RTW YAY!

Boywhoflies: Woohoo!

Yiure gonna get RTW?Great idea.I got it, and I've been loving it for the past 4 years.
Congrats on getting a credit card!Just wondering, how old are you?I'm 12, and if you are 10 or something I could use that if I ask for one myself.

If you are woried about stalkers or something, don't fell pressured to anser that!

Eee226: Oh I'm almost 11.......Oh dear.

Eee226: I'm going to be eleven but I'm too short

Boywhoflies: Don't be worried! I'm realy small too.When I was in a 5/6 split class, I was in 6th grade but I was still the smallest person in the class, including the 5th graders and the girls(just saying, girls are normaly smaller).Noone made fun of me, and I bet it'll be the same for you.

Eee226: Quote: "Don't be worried! I'm realy small too.When I was in a 5/6 split class, I was in 6th grade but I was still the smallest person in the class, including the 5th graders and the girls(just saying, girls are normaly smaller).Noone made fun of me, and I bet it'll be the same for you. "

Thanks

Eee226: I see that There is a new Midnight synergy post YAY!!!!!!.It took long though.But I see that Potz is going to be released.Oh and one more thing Tell them that if they remember me.

Boywhoflies: Wellcome!

Yeah, it did take a while.MS has been buzy though.

Don't worry, they rember you.

Eee226: Tell them to watch my video here.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agq0Naa8sLM

Boywhoflies: Will do.

Eee226: Yeah thanks but there is one problem.People are happy about POTZ me too but I was reading the WA3update topic and then I saw someone saying they want it like RTW If it does turn out like that then I have to wait till August 2011 to buy it I hope it does not turn out like that.

Boywhoflies: MS said in the 22nd issue of the Midnight post that it would be out in mid-2011.That may mean June.

Eee226: When is summer.I'm not from the United States

StinkerSquad01: It's winter for us right now. Summer starts in June and ends in August.

*vanishes from topic*

Eee226: I'm missing the wonderland forum I wish I never did that.1 more thing whenever I go on the forum you guys are online!!!!!Like your on the computer a lot no offense.I go on a lot.

Boywhoflies: None taken, bud!I go on for so long my parents keep me off before 10:00 am, because if they did not I would be on at like 1 in the morning.lol

I'll tell them what you said.

Eee226: Hi dude merry Christmas!I got gifts for you since you help me.And I'm a nice kid but rather small.So I wanted to give you a gift Its just games and stuff and a cartooner.So here is the link mediafire.com c1pdra32ncdlbck

Boywhoflies: Woah, dude, dude, your gandmar just got MAD good!

Merry Christmas to you too!You aren't a nice kid though...you're wwwaaayyy past nice.

Thanks! I want to give you something back but I don't know what...Do you have RTW?Mabye I can make you some levels for it or something.

StinkerSquad01:*Reappear*
WE could make WA levels and put them into .zip files......


Eee226: I don't have RTW yet.I am pretty sad today a gift will be nice.I hope I get a gift

Eee226: Here is one more gift mediafire.com hwitiwzbpd8tti7

Boywhoflies: Oh, sorry to hear that!
I want to give you a gift, but my mom is not to great with me uploading stuff. Now lets say I were to make you your own forum where only people you allow could come in?That would be pretty cool, right?

And for the gift, thank you very much!

Eee226: That will be nice

Boywhoflies: Well, it's gonna happen!

Give me a bit of time to set it up.

Edit:Ok, I'm done.To post, view, or anything you need to be in the "eee226's forum" usergroup.Eee himself will be amble to deside who can come into it.

Samray: Pwnage!I'm gonna go tyr to get into that.

Eee226: I heard of swine flu but I don't think I have it but it has for things Coughing,sneezing,dizziness and diarrhea.I got those stuff wish me to not get swine flu!!!!!!!!

Boywhoflies: Oh my god!

I hope you don't have it! :'(

Eee226: Hope you enjoy winter.But me I don't have winter,summer,fall or spring I have rain and sunny and now its raining no snow .Don't worry about the swine flu I'll get see if I have

Boywhoflies: Thank you!

So you don't get snow?You aren't missing out on much.You usaly can't build anything with it and it's realy cold when you fall in it.

Eee226: Hey check out my art work http://t4bg.roblox.com/c36e26346a3d8e97155b78be5dc6db7f

Boywhoflies: OMG!You drew that? 8l

Eee226: Yep It was hard but I'm getting good at drawing

Boywhoflies: What do you mean "getting good"!?! You rule at it allready!

Eee226: Here is another http://t1bg.roblox.com/c368d61577e87b48ba849d6d4f1d9307

Boywhoflies: Deleted it for you.

Woah, awesome spewed out of my screen!

Eee226: Thanks where going to have ham tomorrow and were rapping gifts and stuff to christmas.But my father isn't feeling well.And I have lots of other drawings too I love to draw!

Boywhoflies: Wellcome!

Sounds like you are gonna have one heck of a christmas! Merry Christmas to you!!

Sorry about your dad, though. Tell him I wnt him to get well soon.

Well, I hope I could see some of those too! I was shocked when I saw how skilled you are at drawing. 8l

Eee226: Hey Look what the smileys do.I am .Cool huh.I like :noob: Free world.

Eee226: Thanks!

Boywhoflies: Skill, and thanks!

Wellcome!

Eee226: Sorry if you think its spam.

Boywhoflies: It's not spam! Even if it was, I would'nt mind. If you are woried about getting banned, don't be. It would take a LOT for anyone to get banned.

Eee226: Ok then I'm going to show some more drawings

Boywhoflies: Yay!

Boywhoflies: By the way, I finally figgured out how to make you a mod for this forum.I hope you enjoy your new powers!

Eee226: I'm a moderator?I didn't realized that

Boywhoflies: I made you one about a minute ago.You are only a mod on this forum, but at some point you may become one for the whole forum(of course, only if you want to).

Eee226: So whats going on in the forum without me?

Boywhoflies: A few game maker games, a few christmas topics, and a little bit of argueing.I don't venture out of Off-Topic, General Wonderland and WA Editor General very often, though, so thats not the whole forum.

Eee226: Good.The forum has less trouble.

Boywhoflies: Yes, but it's not because you left! If you were there right now it would be better than it is now.

Eee226: Here is my other drawing http://www.roblox.com/CRIM0134-item?id=42811746

Boywhoflies: Cool! 8l

I'm pretty shure I said this but you have some MAD skill!

Eee226: MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR

Boywhoflies: Thank you, and you too!

Just so you know, you can change your emotion in your profile.Right now I have
"Very Happy" selected.

Eee226: Do you believe in 2012 I don't

Boywhoflies: Nah. Neither does my bro.

StinkerSquad01: Ahhh 2012...stupidest conspiracy theory yet. I do not believe in it at all.

Boywhoflies: I don't, my mom dosen't, my dad dosen't, my bro dosen't, and my sister is made up.

Eee226: I got Lego fore christmas

StinkerSquad01: Cool! I used to play with those so much!

Boywhoflies: Sweet!My little bro loves those things!

Eee226: Last night was scary!!!!!!!!
First there was a earth quake I was watching the rugrats movie then I thought something push the chair then I felt shaking I block my ears and run!!!!!!.Then it was done .Later that night I heard some creepy noises like it was laughing I went to my mother's bedroom she was sleeping,Then a cockroach flew down.Then I ran back to my room.DUDE YOU WILL NEVER BELIEVE THE STUFF I WENT THROUGH

Eee226: The earthquake was heavy!!!!!!The ground almost threw me down!!!

Boywhoflies: OH ****!

First the tornado/huricane(can't rember and can't find the topic sorry) and now all this?

You have one heck of a life.

Eee226: I didn't have a earth quake for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggg time!

Boywhoflies: Like, since the last time it happened, or since that one happened?

Also, you're a mod, there's a message that it would be best if you read. Look in the General forum in the Moderation Catagory.

Eee226: The other earth quake happened in 2009

Boywhoflies: So last year?Yeah, a while ago...

But the fact that you were in a earthquake at all is crazy!

Eee226: DUDE I WAS TERRIFIED

Eee226: What is Christmas about?

Boywhoflies: I don't balme ya!

For your question...how's this: http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/11796.htm ?

Eee226: There was a mystery at my place there was some righting saying
20b3
----
906
Then I saw a (Worldwide) football man,AND A CLIP!!

Boywhoflies: The only thing I could think when I read that was OH MY GOD!

You, my friend, have one exiting life.

Eee226: I think so.

Eee226: HAPPY NEW YEAR!!

Boywhoflies: Happy new year to you too!

Eee226: I've been drawing since when I'm five

Boywhoflies: Woah, sweet!

Eee226: Do you know snowy the bear?He is one of my favourite characters I even thought of him going to wonderland

Eee226: I knew him since I was 6 or 7

Boywhoflies: Yeah, I know that guy! He's awesome. 8l

And him going to Wonderland...that would be even more awesome. 8l

Eee226: Here is what I think wonderland critters are like
Chompers:dogs
Scritters:mice
Fireflowers:flytrap
thwarts:Wolves

Billy Bob: Coily's: springs.
Kaboom!'s: bombs.
Z-bot's: robots.

Boywhoflies: Stinkers:Balls(me and evreyone else)
Cannons:Cannons(duh lol)

StinkerSquad01: Cannons with EYES! muahahaha.

Eee226: Browney is my favourite character too in snowy the bear.Well in wonderland when they first met they met 3 friends Mabel Freddy and Jon

Eee226: MY BIRTHDAY IS COMING IN THIS MOUNT IN THE 27TH I'm going to be 11

Boywhoflies: This is realy early, but happy birthday! 8l

Eee226: When I get older I give more trouble BECAUSE OF MY SISTER

Eee226: Tell them this Quote: "MY BIRTHDAY IS COMING IN THIS MOUNT IN THE 27TH I'm going to be 11"

Boywhoflies: Are you the older or younger bro?

And I will.

Eee226: Older she is 6

Eee226: Deeman said this Quote: "He's gonna be 11?! That can't be true, comparing his maturity and mine.
I'M NOT A SPAMMER"
Wonderland was the first forum I been too

Boywhoflies: Cool, I'm a older bro too, and Wonderland forum was my first too. 8l
(No offence to any youngers sliblings reading this, this is realy only my eyes)
Being the older one is tough. Parents pretty much only belive the younger ones when they try to solve a fight. They usaly don't even ask for our sides anyway. >:(
The good thing is we can do more stuff. I'm allowed to go buy myself some gum a 10 minute walk away but my bro can't leave the block.

Eee226: Man I didn't expect a argue I just wanted a happy birthday

Boywhoflies: Yeah, jezz! >:(

Eee226: Future project I want people to make:A time traveler

Boywhoflies: That would be awesome!

Just so you know, time travel is already made. 8l They have put particals thru a circulal tube at neer light speed, wich make them experience time slower that evreything around them. Those particalls normaly last less than a second, but then they last (I think) a multiple of that time(so they destroy in the "future").

Eee226: Tell them this

Quote: "Man I didn't expect a argue I just wanted a happy birthday"

and this

Quote: "Wonderland was the first forum I been too"

Boywhoflies: Ok, give me a bit...

Eee226: I don't want to get married

Boywhoflies: Do you not like girls or do you just not want to get married?

I usted to not like them but now they there pretty much all I can think about.

Eee226: I'll think about getting married

Boywhoflies: I'm not saying you should; if you want to, do, if not, don't.

Billy Bob: This is the most random conversation I've ever seen.

Eee226: I have the most embarrassing secrets every.Its unfitting for a boy

StinkerSquad01: Quote: "This is the most random conversation I've ever seen."

Agreed.

Quote: "I have the most embarrassing secrets every.Its unfitting for a boy"

Ok then.

Boywhoflies: Quote: "I have the most embarrassing secrets every.Its unfitting for a boy"


Sorry to hear that.

Eee226: I have 4 budgie birds.One named Billy another named Reece another name Whitey and lastly shy shy.

Boywhoflies: Shy Shy sounds like a epic dark video game charecter. 8l
Resse sounds awesome too.

My aunt had 2 birds:one she still has named bird and one that died that had no name.Lol.

Eee226: Here is a pic of them http://t0bg.roblox.com/15fa0488550354cd01eae99f387da3d5 .The one with rainbow colours is Reece.The gray is billy yellow kind of is whitey and the blue is shy shy.

StinkerSquad01: Cool!

Boywhoflies: Cool! (Ditto)

Billy Bob: Cool! (Ditto) (Ditto)

Eee226: Next week is my birthday!!

Boywhoflies: Yay!

Billy Bob: When it comes, happy birthday!

Eee226: (I think you might not believe this) One night ago I slept walk WITH MY EYES OPEN and said to my mom I'm packing to go away in another place but my mom said GO BACK AND SLEEP.Thank god I didn't go away!! I could of get my self killed!

StinkerSquad01: Thats crazy! I've never sleepwalked,but I bet it's weird!

Boywhoflies: Woah, woah, woah, woah! Are you serious?

I'm just glad you didn't go away.

(lol, I'm pretty shure this is the longest topic in the history of NFW, even if that is less that 6 months)

Eee226: DUDE I WAS SCARED I DIDN'T WANT TO GO TO BED ANYMORE

Boywhoflies: Nothing will happen to you. Don't worry about it.

Eee226: YAY ITS MY BIRTHDAY I'm eleven

StinkerSquad01: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

Billy Bob: Happy Birthday Eee226!

Boywhoflies: I think I'm a bit late(moan of pain!), but...

8l Happy Birthday! 8l

Eee226: Long time no see.I'm having a good time.Its very rainy and windy by me.

Boywhoflies: Yeah. Good to see you again!

It's great that you're having a good time, I hope that goes on!

Eee226: DUDE I WANT TO GO BACK TO WONDERLAND FORUMS BADLY I WILL NOT DO ANY SPAM ANY MORE!!

Boywhoflies: Aw man, I really feel bad for you... :'( A year was kinda going overboard... When did you get banned? Maybe your time is almost up.

StinkerSquad01: I don't know about this, I have a bad feeling about the ban you got eee226. I hope Patrick might possibly let you come back. Perhaps if you could prove yourself good enough for the forums again. NFW or I will have to pm MS about it. :/

Boywhoflies: That's a good idea...you or me?

Billy Bob: Quote: "A year was kinda going overboard... When did you get banned? Maybe your time is almost up."

November 2nd 2010. One of the craziest days on the forum ever.

Eee226: Anyway Here is my two best drawing
1: http://t1bg.roblox.com/0d14da1525ea0838c4fac50bd0b5c129
2: http://t0bg.roblox.com/cbe9ef074db376690c794c0135e1b87e

These are my favourite ones ever!
Sorry you could not see the 1st one good. :/

Eee226: Here is a closer look at the first one http://www.roblox.com/CRIM0395-item?id=48824580

StinkerSquad01: Quote: "That's a good idea...you or me?"


I really dont know.

As for your drawings eee226, they're very good!
I might make you something in GIMP.

Boywhoflies: Quote: "Quote: "That's a good idea...you or me?"


I really dont know. "



I'll do it, if you don't mind.

StinkerSquad01: Ok. I guess. Maybe I could do it.

StinkerSquad01: Ok, here it is:

MS, it has come to me that eee226 really wants to rejoin this forum. He posts at the Noob Free World forums (a link to the site is in my and probably boywhoflies signatures), and he has become much more mature. Sadly, the topic is quite long (11 pages!) for copying and pasting. You could see for yourself but I'm afraid you'll have to register and hope to get in to his forum. He has told us he wants to come back very much. Do you think you could forgive him?

-SS01






(P.S. signature attached for link)

_________________



Blargh so waddya think?

StinkerSquad01: Sending...

StinkerSquad01: MS posted a topic in the offtopic about three users wanting to rejoin. You eee226, (many of the ones who posted there wanted to give you a second chance) arvis34, (the pirate guy i think) and Deeman223344.
Lots of luck to eee226, everyone!



And we wait,
and wait,
and wait...



Boywhoflies: A lot of people(including me and SS) are saying you should get a second chance. I don't think anyone is aganst it...mabye MS is. I dunno. He hasn't said anything...

I hope you can come back.

Billy Bob: See this Eee226: http://pcpuzzle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22425.

Eee226: Whoa guys I will not spam!

Eee226: Tell them this I am sorry for all those spam I did!!! I don't think I can have a permanent ban.I am sure to be mature now!

Boywhoflies: I'm telling them. Called it!

[Marinus]

Thanks.

I didn't read everything, only just at a few places, and it seems to me he's talking pretty normal.

If he's doing the same way on this forum, and not making 2 or 3 new topics each week, then I think he can come back.

[boywhoflies]

It must've taken you forever to copy all of that...and I thought transfering all the tal.ki topic was a lot.

[Emerald141]

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[Qloof234]

EEE seems to be a little more mature that I expected. I'm now in favor of an unban.

I agree with this. I've also been thinking about Deeman as well, but I'm not sure about him yet.

[tyteen4a03]

I can go with an unban, but deeman's ban should still be 3 months.

[StinkerSquad01]

So far here are our thoughts pretty much.

eee226: He gotten much more mature, we think unban him.

arvis36: This guy never really broke the rules, he pirated though, if you ask him to please remove all his pirated Wonderland content, then he could come back probably.

DEEMAN223344: He doesnt post much on NFW...some say keep the ban, others say give him another (3rd) chance...

[LittleZbot]

So far here are our thoughts pretty much.

eee226: He gotten much more mature, we think unban him.

arvis36: This guy never really broke the rules, he pirated though, if you ask him to please remove all his pirated Wonderland content, then he could come back probably.

DEEMAN223344: He doesnt post much on NFW...some say keep the ban, others say give him another (3rd) chance...

^Agree

[Qloof234]

So far here are our thoughts pretty much.

eee226: He gotten much more mature, we think unban him.

arvis36: This guy never really broke the rules, he pirated though, if you ask him to please remove all his pirated Wonderland content, then he could come back probably.

I agree with both of these statements.

DEEMAN223344: He doesnt post much on NFW...some say keep the ban, others say give him another (3rd) chance...

As for this, I think some explanation of my reasoning is in order. Even if it's not, this is something I should get off my chest now anyways.

Typically, for games or forums or anything in general, three is the amount of chances someone gets before they lose, so to speak, hence one possible reason people say Deeman should be unbanned.

Here's the thing, though - he'd been doing it for a long time and got away with it for the most part. It doesn't just apply to him, either - Patrick was busy with other stuff and there weren't moderators, so the rules weren't really all that "enforced". I don't mean to be rude, but in my opinion, I'm still not to warm to the idea of letting him back in. I honestly don't recall a time where he hasn't acted like this.

Now, this might seem irrelevant, but hear me out. To start with; I'm naive. At least 6 times so far, one of my former friends on Skype (not anyone from here, mind you) has acted way out of line, and blamed it on either me or another friend and proclaiming there had to be something wrong with us. Six times. Only after the seventh did it finally get through my thick skull that he's not the kind of person I should associate myself with.

What I'm trying to say is that I forgive people far easier than I think I should. Even saying right now that I'm not comfortable with the idea of letting him back in is straining. While I might act like I know what I'm doing in this kind of situation - I don't.

While anyone - including me - could say that something should be done about so-and-so due to a bad habit or something, the only way I can bring myself to do it is by being completely apathetic about it. Locking topics and deleting posts is an easy matter, because it's not as earth-shattering. Having a say in whether someone should be unbanned where everyone's opinions are counted... Not so much.

I know fully well what it's like to be shunned by people. It's a horrible feeling, and I have commit myself to doing everything in my power to prevent that from happening to anyone else. I know it probably sounds corny, but I'm serious. So long as I feel like it's unjust, then I will speak up. On the other hoof, those same experiences have me dead set on making sure anyone who is stepping out of line like that gets the message to stop. If they won't, then despite how guilty I feel about it, something will have to be done.

In other words - despite how much I don't like saying it, I do believe that giving Deeman another chance will just end the same way as it has before. I do not mean to be rude, I am just stating my opinion.

+10 points if you see what I did here

[tyteen4a03]

ic wut u did thar

10 for me yayz

Back on topic: Simplified version: Q don't want to comment on this more, and mods don't want to use their banhammers. Be good.

[billy bob]

Is there any other way of knowing if DEEMAN223344 has changed or not other than taking the ultimate risk of letting him back on the forum?
*recieves 10 points*

[boywhoflies]

We could have a chat with him on NFW to see if he's improved. There's PMs and 2 chatboxes.

Yayz I get 10 points.

[Marinus]

No offense Flying Boy, but no points for you this time.

As we already agreed, that Patrick perhaps / probably will not join your forum to read posts or chat with those people who have asked to be unbanned, and you also can't expect from lots of other people on this forum to do so.

As I said before I'm willing to give those people another chance (all of them; perhaps I'm naive too, Qloof. ) but I think they can't expect too much from the Wonderland community.

So I think BB has a good point.

Tyteen, actually I don't like the word "banhammer"; and as far as I know mods don't have banhammers.

[boywhoflies]

I meant one of us, then we tell Patrick if he's improved or not.

For the point thing, it was at Qloof/Q/Kyuu/whoever 's post above.

[boywhoflies]

Aw, sorry. I'm half asleep again, I meant one of us allready on the forums, like me or SS.

[Marinus]

Oh that's OK, but most people want to see certain things with their own eyes before they believe someone else. I'm one of them. Besides, I'm pretty sure that people are not acting in the same way towards everyone. People act to one person this way and to someone else that way.

I'm pretty sure that they will act friendly to you, because you are always friendly, and besides, they're hoping to get back on this forum, so they will probably act more friendly then they usually do. As for me; I use to say the truth or my opinion "straight for the head", and not everyone likes that, so, perhaps they will act to me (when they are back on the forum) not as friendly as they do to you (while they're not back yet)

Therefore my saying: "No points for you", because I just don't find it a really good idea. (And I had already seen that about the points.)

To Deeman: If I remember right, the last time you came back to this forum after being banned, you said: "I've changed". If you get back this time, my advise is not to say that. After you've read everything in this topic, you'll probably understand why. If you think you've changed, try to prove it without saying it, because simply saying it, is easy; everyone can say that. But proving it will take time; more time then the sum of the times you've been banned. Remember that!

[boywhoflies]

Good point. Plus, Deeman can read this(and probaly is) so he might try to act even nicer if we try. Which I guess we won't.

[Midnight Synergy]

Hello all and thanks for all your replies.

I think the consensus is pretty clear on arvis and eee. Once I have figured out if arvis has legitimate copies of the games, he will be allowed back on.

As for eee, I'm willing to give him a chance (I haven not visited the 'other' forum nor read that long post, so I'm going by other's comments), however

1) So far I only have had his request 2nd hand - could someone pass the message back to him to contact me at midnight@midnightsynergy.com

2) This will be on probation (and I will make this clear to him). At the slightest hint of his random nonsensical posts returning, his account will be disabled - this time for a longer time.

As for deeman, this seems to be the most devisive one. I will at this time not reactivate his account, partly to make it clear to him that the community is still not ok with his past behaviour. We can re-approach this at the end of summer, hopefully he'll have had some more time to cool off and mature.

[tyteen4a03]

@Marinus: We don't, but we have the right to ask for one, and our influence on Patrick will be much bigger than the users.

And yes, that's sort of misleading. :P

[Marinus]

LOL, everyone has the right to ask for something, and if you believe that you have such a big influence, well, be happy with it.

Perhaps you are the moderator who's doing most of the work, but I think you are also the one who's always acting as if moderators are such a special, mighty people. At least I never saw the other moderators acting that way It always makes me get the need to respond, and be a bit critical about it.

[billy bob]

LOL, everyone has the right to ask for something, and if you believe that you have such a big influence, well, be happy with it.

Then if moderators don't have a bigger influence than users, then what is the point of being a moderator?