Adventure #59: Esoteric

DEEMAN223344 · Post by **DEEMAN223344** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:17 pm

Qloof234 wrote:
DEEMAN223344 wrote:<long post>

Qloof234 wrote:that was a joke, just so we're clear
I kinda thought the crossed-arms sprite made that obvious.

Qloof234 · Post by **Qloof234** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:25 pm

DEEMAN223344 wrote:

In that case, you need to learn how to make it clear when you're joking and when you're not.

StinkerSquad01 · Post by **StinkerSquad01** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:31 pm

Ahaaa, solved it! That was fun.

Wonderman109 · Post by **Wonderman109** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:55 am

OK, so what is the intended solution for Part 1? I used the unintended one because I've seen it used before and I'm frustratingly, hopelessly, stuck in Part 2, to the point of wanting to murder Mr. Zurkon.

Nobody · Post by **Nobody** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:03 am

The intended solution to Part 1 is to do the intended solution to Part 2.

Wonderman109 · Post by **Wonderman109** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:06 am

Jutomi · Post by **Jutomi** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:18 am

Oh!

That is genius!

samuelthx · Post by **samuelthx** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:30 am

Wonderman109 wrote:OK, so what is the intended solution for Part 1? I used the unintended one because I've seen it used before and I'm frustratingly, hopelessly, stuck in Part 2, to the point of wanting to murder Mr. Zurkon.

I know right? The second part was the hardest part for me.
Hint:

For the first part, if you trap yourself in a floing bubble on a Brr pad, the Brr pad won't disappear.
For the second part, cast the first floing bubble on the ice tile nearest to you. Then quickly create a Brr pad on the second water tile from you, and collect the Floing charge. Run and trap yourself in the first bubble. After it bursts, cast a second bubble and trap yourself in there too. Proceed to get blink. Blink onto the ice pad.

I found this adventure somewhat unfair though (not to me, of course, but still). Not everyone knows about the Ice Blink trick, and the other tricks used. But I liked how the floing ice trick works. Thanks for a great puzzle!

Nobody · Post by **Nobody** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:11 am

samuelthx wrote:Hint:
For the first part, if you trap yourself in a floing bubble on a Brr pad, the Brr pad won't disappear.
For the second part, cast the first floing bubble on the ice tile nearest to you. Then quickly create a Brr pad on the second water tile from you, and collect the Floing charge. Run and trap yourself in the first bubble. After it bursts, cast a second bubble and trap yourself in there too. Proceed to get blink. Blink onto the ice pad.

That's not a hint so much as it is the full solution.

samuelthx · Post by **samuelthx** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:50 am

Nobody wrote:
samuelthx wrote:Hint:
For the first part, if you trap yourself in a floing bubble on a Brr pad, the Brr pad won't disappear.
For the second part, cast the first floing bubble on the ice tile nearest to you. Then quickly create a Brr pad on the second water tile from you, and collect the Floing charge. Run and trap yourself in the first bubble. After it bursts, cast a second bubble and trap yourself in there too. Proceed to get blink. Blink onto the ice pad.
That's not a hint so much as it is the full solution.

I knew someone was gonna say that

Wait it was nobody.
Actually the first part was a hint, but I saw no way to give a hint for the second part. Sorry if I misled anyone, esp Wonderman.

MyNameIsKooky · Post by **MyNameIsKooky** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:46 pm

samuelthx wrote:I found this adventure somewhat unfair though (not to me, of course, but still). Not everyone knows about the Ice Blink trick, and the other tricks used. But I liked how the floing ice trick works. Thanks for a great puzzle!

Sorry about all the tricks/exploits/whatever that were required to beat this adventure. I'll try to avoid using this sort of thing in my future adventures. I'm glad you enjoyed this adventure though.

Blazeknight · Post by **Blazeknight** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:09 pm

Wonderful adventure... it was quite tricky at start but then was easy. The use of quite awkward tricks and the exploits were fun. I never knew there were these many ways of making adventures... (I know only one way - the hub's adventures style)

Anyways, it has given me something to ponder about the WAE

Lucky-Luc · Post by **Lucky-Luc** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:13 pm

MyNameIsKooky wrote:
samuelthx wrote:I found this adventure somewhat unfair though (not to me, of course, but still). Not everyone knows about the Ice Blink trick, and the other tricks used. But I liked how the floing ice trick works. Thanks for a great puzzle!
Sorry about all the tricks/exploits/whatever that were required to beat this adventure. I'll try to avoid using this sort of thing in my future adventures. I'm glad you enjoyed this adventure though.

Nah - I think as long as it's clear there is no "legit" solution, doing stuff like this is fine. It only gets mean when these exploits are used in a very complex puzzle and you don't even have a chance of figuring it out.

|Cookie| · Post by **|Cookie|** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:07 pm

Brilliant!
This adventure was really fun and neat!
It's really clever!

(I also kinda had to read some of the first part's hints..)

samuelthx · Post by **samuelthx** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:36 pm

MyNameIsKooky wrote:
samuelthx wrote:I found this adventure somewhat unfair though (not to me, of course, but still). Not everyone knows about the Ice Blink trick, and the other tricks used. But I liked how the floing ice trick works. Thanks for a great puzzle!
Sorry about all the tricks/exploits/whatever that were required to beat this adventure. I'll try to avoid using this sort of thing in my future adventures. I'm glad you enjoyed this adventure though.

I'm actually quite OK with using glitches like that. They're fun (to learn and execute), and I might use them too in my adventures!

Do continue using them!

What I'm saying is that I feel a level should have a notice if glitches are to be used (just like Muz's Unfair or Wonderman's Garden Problems), just in case a repeat of River Crossings (WA1, I used the quick Brr trick in my initial solution). Sorry for the ambiguity!

EDIT: In retrospect I think my OP was uncalled for. I realised that the whole challenge of this puzzle was to think out of the box, and this puzzle has made me do that. Even in "mainstream adventures", I realise it's acceptable to use glitches (I even exploited the Ice Blink trick in Icy Waters, POTZ, does that make me a hypocrite), although I'd prefer to use them only if the level says so.

Muzozavr · Post by **Muzozavr** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:51 pm

The absolute last thing that I remember doing in the first WA is finishing "River Crossings" without the quick brr trick. It is an absolute nightmare of a level, but it is possible.

Ice Blink trick in Icy Waters

If you mean "blinking on ice does not collapse the brr pad" then I thought that was an intentional part of the design?

I think we even discussed that in the beta forum.

Now, the "floing on ice" trick is a version I didn't know before.

samuelthx · Post by **samuelthx** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:02 pm

Muzozavr wrote:If you mean "blinking on ice does not collapse the brr pad" then I thought that was an intentional part of the design? I think we even discussed that in the beta forum.

Wow. That makes my Original Post even more irrelevant and extra. I must apologise, Kooky.

Muzozavr wrote:The absolute last thing that I remember doing in the first WA is finishing "River Crossings" without the quick brr trick. It is an absolute nightmare of a level, but it is possible.

Um if I remember correctly the legit way I used to solve it was quite simple?

Wonderland King · Post by **Wonderland King** » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:50 am

Nicely done.

I consider any glitch "legit" as long as it doesn't require a save/load slot. (And I don't really think the MooBot thing you used was a glitch, actually.)

It would've been cool if you had used the ZapBot Laser Glitch in your level, though.

samuelthx · Post by **samuelthx** » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:00 am

Wonderland King wrote:(And I don't really think the MooBot thing you used was a glitch, actually.)

Wait a minute. I thought for the Moobot

spoilers wrote:you just drown it by making it stop on a Brr pad? That's not a glitch. Unless you used a different solution?

Wonderland King · Post by **Wonderland King** » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:28 am

That's exactly what I did. And also, I, sadly, have no qualms using glitches in official levels. I did a lot of minor stuff (pretty sure I used the Sliding Blink trick in "Icy Waters") and I'm ashamed to say that I was perfectly fine with DESTROYING the intended solution in MOFI's "Brr At The Shore" with the fast recovery trick.

Wonderman109 · Post by **Wonderman109** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:53 am

I would've given up by now if it wasn't for samuelthx's hint on Section 1, but then I got the rest on my own pretty quickly. And I only realized after people started mentioning it that the music is Kaboom! Village's theme song.

Yeah, it was a nice little level. (But really, what was the point of all those Lurkers at the end?)

Wonderland King · Post by **Wonderland King** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:01 am

Wonderman109 wrote:(But really, what was the point of all those Lurkers at the end?)

To show that you can spring over them.

MyNameIsKooky · Post by **MyNameIsKooky** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:54 am

Wonderman109 wrote:(But really, what was the point of all those Lurkers at the end?)

Hey! Don't be racist towards the Lurkers!

Wonderman109 · Post by **Wonderman109** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:04 am

I wasn't being racist, I was just saying...oh never mind.

And wait, why are YOU racist against crabs? They deserve to live, they make interesting companions, and they blend in with the environment so nicely.

MyNameIsKooky · Post by **MyNameIsKooky** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:08 am

Wonderman109 wrote:I wasn't being racist, I was just saying...oh never mind.

And wait, why are YOU racist against crabs? They deserve to live, they make interesting companions, and they blend in with the environment so nicely.

CRABS ARE AN EXCEPTION!!!!!!!!!! THEY DESERVE TO DIE!!!!!!!!!! EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wonderland King · Post by **Wonderland King** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:09 am

Pow doesn't kill crabs.

Wonderman109 · Post by **Wonderman109** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:10 am

MyNameIsKooky wrote:
Wonderman109 wrote:I wasn't being racist, I was just saying...oh never mind.

And wait, why are YOU racist against crabs? They deserve to live, they make interesting companions, and they blend in with the environment so nicely.
CRABS ARE AN EXCEPTION!!!!!!!!!! THEY DESERVE TO DIE!!!!!!!!!! EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WELL THAT'S RACIST, PUNK!!!!!!!!!! LEARN TO LOVE THE CRABS! OR I'LL MAKE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MyNameIsKooky · Post by **MyNameIsKooky** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:14 am

Wonderland King wrote:Pow doesn't kill crabs.

GAH! THIS GLITCH MUST BE FIXED IMMEDIATELY!!!

Wonderman109 wrote:
MyNameIsKooky wrote:
Wonderman109 wrote:I wasn't being racist, I was just saying...oh never mind.

And wait, why are YOU racist against crabs? They deserve to live, they make interesting companions, and they blend in with the environment so nicely.
CRABS ARE AN EXCEPTION!!!!!!!!!! THEY DESERVE TO DIE!!!!!!!!!! EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WELL THAT'S RACIST, PUNK!!!!!!!!!! LEARN TO LOVE THE CRABS! OR I'LL MAKE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO LOVE!!!!!!!!!!

Wonderland King · Post by **Wonderland King** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:17 am

MyNameIsKooky wrote:
Wonderland King wrote:Pow doesn't kill crabs.
GAH! THIS GLITCH MUST BE FIXED IMMEDIATELY!!!

I completely understand why you're upset, but if it makes you feel better, crabs can be killed with firetraps!

MyNameIsKooky · Post by **MyNameIsKooky** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:20 am

Wonderland King wrote:
MyNameIsKooky wrote:
Wonderland King wrote:Pow doesn't kill crabs.
GAH! THIS GLITCH MUST BE FIXED IMMEDIATELY!!!
I completely understand why you're upset, but if it makes you feel better, crabs can be killed with firetraps!

YES, THAT DOES MAKE ME FEEL BETTER!!!